John,

That is what I was saying earlier - the move in tier and the additional
software charges by the applications vendors could break any deal...

And as was pointed out in an email I got yesterday, you COULD do better
buying a USED AS/400 in the tier you would be bumped up into and
upgrading THAT one and in the amount of money you would save, it could
cover the 3rd party software increase... WHAT a mess :-)

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of John Ross
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:21 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Cc: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
Subject: RE: GreenStreak?

Looking
at
http://www-919.ibm.com/servlet/factCompare?machDB=&col1=MID&col2=BASEPRI
CE&col3=CPWINTUNCON&col4=UPGRADEABLE&col5=PERFORMANCEGROUP&col6=PROCCONF
IG&col7=CPWPROC&col8=CALNMAILUSER&col9=ARMS&col10=DISKGB&MODEL=270&PROCE
SSOR=2432&INTERCARD=1519&sysid=270_2432_1516&sortby=1%2B&colNum=2&colKey
=colKey

a 270-2432- 1516 which has zero interactive is $15,476 a 270-2432-1519
is
47,776 for 50 interactive. At half price that is $23,888. Better, but
still
to much, any increased price is to much. It is nice to see how IBM
treats
their loyal customers. You know the ones that went from a S/34 to a S/36
to
a S/38 to an AS/400 to an iSeries. (and some from a S/32 or before) I
guess
they figure if they have not lost them by now they are ripe for the
picking.

If they would of included interactive for no charge, I would have one on
order now.

I know of one company who is on a 620-2179 who looked at the 820 for
about
5 minutes until he say the price. He can buy an upgrade on the used
market
for a lot less. And another company that has a 600 2129 when they see
the
price of the AS/400 they are going to say that is a lot, but when they
see
what the third party is going to charge them they are going to say no
way.
And the CEO wants all three plants on the same system, he does not care
what system, just the same. They now have one AS/400 and one unix?
Hopefully they will pick up a bigger used AS/400.

IBM should of gotten as many third party software vendors as they could
to
lower the price on the models also. Every time someone looks at an
upgrade
with third party tiered priced software, I hear the same thing. They
want
to charge us $xx,xxxx more dollars, we get no new features, the same
software, etc. I am thinking of having buttons made up with that on it.
:)
When I see what some of these third party vendors get for the annual
maintenance I would be happy with just that.

I guess for now we will keep our green (money) and IBM can keep their
green
(interactive CPW).

We should probably move to midrange-nontech@midrange.com

John Ross

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