John, That is what I was saying earlier - the move in tier and the additional software charges by the applications vendors could break any deal... And as was pointed out in an email I got yesterday, you COULD do better buying a USED AS/400 in the tier you would be bumped up into and upgrading THAT one and in the amount of money you would save, it could cover the 3rd party software increase... WHAT a mess :-) Chuck -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of John Ross Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:21 PM To: email@example.com Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: GreenStreak? Looking at http://www-919.ibm.com/servlet/factCompare?machDB=&col1=MID&col2=BASEPRI CE&col3=CPWINTUNCON&col4=UPGRADEABLE&col5=PERFORMANCEGROUP&col6=PROCCONF IG&col7=CPWPROC&col8=CALNMAILUSER&col9=ARMS&col10=DISKGB&MODEL=270&PROCE SSOR=2432&INTERCARD=1519&sysid=270_2432_1516&sortby=1%2B&colNum=2&colKey =colKey a 270-2432- 1516 which has zero interactive is $15,476 a 270-2432-1519 is 47,776 for 50 interactive. At half price that is $23,888. Better, but still to much, any increased price is to much. It is nice to see how IBM treats their loyal customers. You know the ones that went from a S/34 to a S/36 to a S/38 to an AS/400 to an iSeries. (and some from a S/32 or before) I guess they figure if they have not lost them by now they are ripe for the picking. If they would of included interactive for no charge, I would have one on order now. I know of one company who is on a 620-2179 who looked at the 820 for about 5 minutes until he say the price. He can buy an upgrade on the used market for a lot less. And another company that has a 600 2129 when they see the price of the AS/400 they are going to say that is a lot, but when they see what the third party is going to charge them they are going to say no way. And the CEO wants all three plants on the same system, he does not care what system, just the same. They now have one AS/400 and one unix? Hopefully they will pick up a bigger used AS/400. IBM should of gotten as many third party software vendors as they could to lower the price on the models also. Every time someone looks at an upgrade with third party tiered priced software, I hear the same thing. They want to charge us $xx,xxxx more dollars, we get no new features, the same software, etc. I am thinking of having buttons made up with that on it. :) When I see what some of these third party vendors get for the annual maintenance I would be happy with just that. I guess for now we will keep our green (money) and IBM can keep their green (interactive CPW). We should probably move to email@example.com John Ross _______________________________________________ This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTechfirstname.lastname@example.org Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech.
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