RE: IBM beckons Linux fans to server line -- MIDRANGE-NONTECH

Martin,

Little quick on the trigger with that last one:  "I just seen the FreeBSD
license" was intended to mean "I've seen BSD  license", as well as links off
Gnu and/or OSI analyzing pros and cons of other different licenses.  Does
OpenBSD and NetBSD operate using any of these?


Also, IMHO this was a REAL good quote from today's NEWS Wire Daily:

OUT OF CONTEXT: OPEN SOURCE ENTREPRENEURS
"Almost every person here [at a Linux 10th anniversary party at
Sunnyvale Baylands Park in California] is an entrepreneur. Everyone
who is developing software and sharing it in the hopes of that their
code will become well known is putting their assets -- programming
time and skills -- at risk. It's still an unproven business model."
-- Eugene Clement, MandrakeSoft developer, as quoted by Inc Magazine


Now I'm neither for nor against "Open" Source, ONCE IT'S PROVEN TO WORK...

What I'm VEHEMENTLY against is team of FSF/OSI/Linux.  Primarily for this
reason:

It used to state on the OSI website (don't know if it still does) something
pretty much verbatim like "We're not against the strategy of RMS, but
against his tactics."  (RMS' strategy being that ALL SOFTWARE SHOULD BE
FREE, BY DEFINITION, and in fact that ALL intellectual property rights
should be eliminated.)  OSI continued "If we change the name of this thing
from "Free Software" to "Open Source", the business community will eat it
up..."  Linus and ESR have teamed up with this promotion.  However, the name
change did little to alter the basic proposition.  That basic proposition is
something that's NEVER BEEN TESTED IN THE MARKETPLACE.

It's extremely counter-intuitive, to me anyway, that ALL SOFTWARE SHOULD BE
FREE, BY DEFINITION.  I could be biased, because I get paid to write
software.  That's how I make my living.  That's how I put bread on the
table... so I don't much cotton to this proposition.  Like I said, I'm
biased in that respect.

===> But my MAIN issue is that this has never been proven to work, in the
marketplace...

Yet Linus and ESR have the business community eating out of their hands, and
developers bowing down to them like they're Lords and Masters.  From what
I've seen, Linus and ESR don't mind the self-promotion...

NOT saying that NOTHING GOOD comes from "Open" Source...!  Just that the
ESR/Linus version of it is neither open nor free...  I don't like that kind
of marketing, myself...  But, again, my main question is whether there is
some sound reasoning to think that this WOULD be a good idea, and that it
WOULD work...


Again would appreciate any links to the contrary (other than ESR's writings,
which I visit from time to time).

jt


| -----Original Message-----
| From: midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com
| [mailto:midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of jt
| Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:38 PM
| To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
| Subject: RE: IBM beckons Linux fans to server line
|
|
| Martin,
|
| Thanks for your comments...!  WAY TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS...!
|
| I ACCEPT your challenge...!  Squeeze it in, in my spare (hee hee) time...!
| If nothing happens before the end of the year, you can expect it
| by then, or
| sooner.
|
| As far as OpenBSD and NetBSD, help me with my research.  I just seen the
| FreeBSD license.  Is there a difference between these (OpenBSD and NetBSD
| running on the GPL?).  But, in general, I like ANYTHING better
| than Linux...
| (But especially OS/400...!)
|
| Any links appreciated.  Seen plenty off of Gnu (so am familiar with them).
|
| jt
|
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com
| | [mailto:midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Martin Rowe
| | Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:21 PM
| | To: Midrange Nontech
| | Subject: RE: IBM beckons Linux fans to server line
| |
| |
| | On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 16:47, jt wrote:
| | > david,
| | >
| | > What else would you be looking for?
| | >
| | > Personally, I'd also like to see similar initiatives for
| | FreeBSD that Linux
| | > is getting, but...  I dunno.
| | >
| | > jt
| |
| | JT
| |
| | Why just FreeBSD? What about OpenBSD or NetBSD? I don't know how much of
| | IBM's support for Linux is because it was getting the most prominence at
| | the time, or because their own techies had already done most of the work
| | before it became official policy. I'd be interested in knowing just what
| | effect the license difference (GPL vs BSD) makes. Your comment on
| | Midrange-L about the GPL being restrictive is true to a point, but only
| | in that you can't license a derivative work under a more restrictive
| | license. There's no such restriction with BSD code, with results like MS
| | using the BSD TCP/IP stack themselves - and they don't exactly
| | contribute much back to the open source community (be it GPL, BSD or any
| | of the other open licenses).
| |
| | In short, just what is your beef with Linux/GPL code? ;-) You've made
| | statements that show you don't like it, but no examples of why - there's
| | an opener for you <vbg>. Feel free to take it private if you think it's
| | too OT, even for NonTech.
| |
| | Regards, Martin
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