To All -- MIDRANGE-NONTECH

It really makes me wonder when "professionals" have
the time to respond to "Personal and Flame"
attacks....

Maybe we should all concentrate on whats important
(thats left to each persons discretion) and not resort
to opinions and attacks on others beliefs (isn't that
what happended 9-11)

Now putting on my flame-retardant suit <vbg> since
this is my one and only post on all these subjects


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>    1. Fwd: Security and open source software
> (MacWheel99@aol.com)
>    2. RE: Hackers branded as terrorists was: (no
> subject) (jt)
>    3. More Crime and Justice stink. (Chris Rehm)
>    4. Re: More Crime and Justice stink.
> (MacWheel99@aol.com)
>    5. RE: New mailing list: USA911
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> subject) (David.X.Kahn@gsk.com)
>    7. RE: More Crime and Justice stink. (jt)
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> Message: 1
> From: MacWheel99@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:02:43 EDT
> Subject: Fwd: Security and open source software
> To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com (non-technical
> discussions)
> Reply-To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
>
> --
> Forwarded from TYR which was forwarded from news net
> about Gartner Group.
> Some people might also use the "obscure" argument on
> the 400.
> It is more important to work with OS whose creators
> are not brain dead on
> security & also have strong support for other good
> goals.
> Sorry, I have not been closely following the IIS
> discussion.
>
> MacWheel99@aol.com (Alister Wm Macintyre) (Al Mac)
> --
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:56:29 -0000
> From: "Al Macintyre" <MacWheel99@aol.com>
> To: MacWheel99@aol.com
> Subject: Fwd:  Security and open source software
> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82
>
> --- In TYR@y..., "Karl Vogel" <vogelke@d...> wrote:
> http://lwn.net/2001/0927
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.html
> Gartner: dump IIS
> 27 Sep 2001
>
> The analysts have released a new set of
> proclamations relating to
> Linux
> and free software.  Analyst opinions should always
> be taken with a
> grain
> of salt (if not an entire shaker of salt); they do
> not always reveal a
> deep understanding of how free software works.
> Nonetheless, they are
> a
> good indicator of how a certain segment of the world
> views free
> software.
>
> The Gartner Group is one of those analyst operations
> that has shown,
> over
> time, an inability to "get" what makes Linux what it
> is.  The Group's
> opinions have generally been hostile.  So the latest
> words of wisdom
> from Gartner are doubly interesting when they state:
>
>     Gartner recommends that businesses hit by both
> Code Red and Nimda
>     immediately investigate alternatives to IIS,
> including moving Web
>     applications to Web server software from other
> vendors such as
> iPlanet
>     and Apache.  Although those Web servers have
> required some
> security
>     patches, they have much better security records
> than IIS and are
>     not under active attack by the vast number of
> virus and worm
> writers.
>
> Apache, of course, is not a "vendor," but we'll let
> that pass.  It's a
> slow process, but the corporate world is beginning
> to figure out that
> free software offers some real security advantages.
>
> It is important, too, that web servers are the
> subject of this
> discussion.
> Some have claimed that Linux is free of email
> viruses only because, as
> an obscure (on the desktop) platform, it is not an
> interesting target
> for virus authors.  But Apache is the dominant web
> server platform;
> anybody wishing to attack large numbers of systems
> via a web server
> would look at Apache first.  The "obscure and
> uninteresting" argument
> will not wash here.
>
> ...
>
>
> --
> Karl Vogel                <vogelke@d...>
> ASC/YCOA, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433, USA
>
> The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail
> learns something that
> will always be useful and which never will grow dim
> or doubtful.  --
> Mark Twain
> --- End forwarded message ---
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "jt" <jt@ee.net>
> To: <midrange-nontech@midrange.com>
> Subject: RE: Hackers branded as terrorists was: (no
> subject)
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:04:19 -0400
> Reply-To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
>
> (The purpose of this post, Chris, is to
> counter-balance the other post and
> to emphasize that there are some areas where we are
> BASICALLY the same.  Not
> that ANY two individuals are the same...  That would
> be foolish, as even
> identical twins are quite a bit different...)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-nontech-admin@midrange.com]On
> Behalf Of Chris Rehm
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 1:15 AM
> To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Hackers branded as terrorists was: (no
> subject)
>
>
> On Saturday 29 September 2001 07:50 pm, jt wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > (BTW, I wrote all but the first few lines of that
> last post, over on
> USA911,
> > before dinner.)
> >
> > I'm going to cut to the quick:  Since we agree on
> the bottom line, what's
> > the point of the rest of the argument...?
>
> I don't think we do agree on the bottom line. It
> seems to me that you feel (
> or I should say, "I thought you stated...") that the
> jurors in the OJ case
> did not deliberate the case enough and presented an
> invalid verdict.
>
> >> That is my contention.  IMHO.
>
>
>
> My
> contention is that the jurors were the ones who
> actually saw the evidence
>
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