Re: No Microsoft Breakup -- MIDRANGE-NONTECH

And the same people who are are surprised this
happened are the sames ones who are surprised at the
curent economic climate since GB got elected (but I
did think it would take him a year or so to screw it
up so badly, goes to prove the saying, those who
forget history <remember 16% home mortgages ala Ronnie
Reagan) are doomed to repeat it.  Gore may not have
had a personality but thats better than a recession.



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>    1. Re: No Microsoft Breakup (Chris Rehm)
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>    3. RE: No Microsoft Breakup (Jim Damato)
>    4. Re: No Microsoft Breakup (Chris Rehm)
>    5. RE: No Microsoft Breakup (Mohondro, Kevin)
>    6. Re: No Microsoft Breakup (Chris Rehm)
>    7. RE: No Microsoft Breakup (Alexei Pytel)
>    8. RE: No Microsoft Breakup (Jim Damato)
>    9. RE: No Microsoft Breakup (Sims, Ken)
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> Message: 1
> From: Chris Rehm <javadisciple@earthlink.net>
> To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: No Microsoft Breakup
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:59:51 -0700
> Reply-To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
>
> On Thursday 06 September 2001 09:17 am, Jim Damato
> wrote:
> > I agree, though with the browser it should be a
> non-issue.  The browser was
> > once a software product, now it's an interface.  I
> think that eventually we
> > should reach a point where we don't conspicuously
> "launch" the browser.
> > Whether you're pulling up a spreadsheet or an app
> or a web page or a folder
> > the interface should be a seamless integration of
> the OS and the desktop.
> >
> > Bundling Word, Excel, or PowerPoint while making
> it difficult for
> > competitors to develop alternative products is one
> thing.  To me the
> > browser is on it's way to becoming a part of the
> operating system --
> > something that competitors shouldn't need to
> develop.  Maybe it's like
> > wanting to develop a different command prompt for
> DOS.
>
> Which is exactly the point. The browser is an
> interface accessing remote
> machines. When the browser was invented, it created
> a threat to the Windows
> monopoly. But because Netscape couldn't bundle they
> could not stop Microsoft
> from stealing this market from them. Thus allowing
> the monopoly power over
> the OS market to be used to crush innovation. Once
> the browser threat is
> under control, use the control of the browser market
> to further destroy
> threats, like say, eliminating non-Microsoft
> technologies.
>
> The browser is, essentially, a high level language
> interpreter. I don't see
> any way to say that is "part of the OS." I also
> don't see any reason why
> companies wishing to compete with IE shouldn't be
> allowed equal access to the
> Windows API and to the opportunity to bundle with
> the OS.
>
> > Do you think there's a difference between bundling
> and integration?
>
> Yes. They need not be mutually inclusive nor
> exclusive.
>
> > -Jim
> >
> --
> Chris Rehm
> javadisciple@earthlink.net
> If you believe that the best technology wins the
> marketplace, you haven't been paying attention.
>
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> Message: 2
> From: Jim Damato <jdamato@dollargeneral.com>
> To: "'midrange-nontech@midrange.com'"
> <midrange-nontech@midrange.com>
> Subject: RE: No Microsoft Breakup
> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:17:16 -0500
> Reply-To: midrange-nontech@midrange.com
>
> >Chris Rehm:
> >Which is exactly the point. The browser is an
> interface accessing remote
> >machines. When the browser was invented, it created
> a threat to the Windows
> >monopoly. But because Netscape couldn't bundle they
> could not stop
> Microsoft
> >from stealing this market from them.
>
> The browser WAS an interface accessing remote
> machines.
>
> As the technology evolved browsers became interfaces
> for more than just
> remote web/text/graphics content.  It became clear
> that this would become
> the presentation for local or remote applications.
> I think that Microsoft
> understood that browsing was going to become the
> interface of choice and
> that it would be a good idea to migrate the Windows
> desktop to that format.
> The browser is becoming infrastructure, not an
> application.  If all
> Microsoft did was pre-install IE with Windows I
> think that there would be
> legitimate grounds for an antitrust suit.  What they
> really did was make it
> a part of the desktop and the OS, or establish that
> as a technical
> direction.
>
>
> >Thus allowing the monopoly power over
> >the OS market to be used to crush innovation. Once
> the browser threat is
> >under control, use the control of the browser
> market to further destroy
> >threats, like say, eliminating non-Microsoft
> technologies.
>
> Wait a few days to calm down, have a beer, and
> reread this one.  Such drama.
>
> In this case I really think that Microsoft was
> establishing an intelligent
> technical direction, not explicitly trying to wipe
> out a competitive
> product.  That it was bound to crush Netscape was
> just gravy.  If OS/400
> V6R1 introduces the ability to save spooled files to
> tape and track those
> save entries to an archive should Broderick Data
> Systems sue?  If SEU in
> V5R3 comes with built in source/program/object cross
> referencing should
> Hawkeye crawl out from under their crushed
> innovation and call in a District
> Attorney?
>
> It's funny that as we whine on these forums over the
> projected demise of the
> AS/400, our favorite integrated system, we're all
> too willing to condemn
> Microsoft's integration attempts.  It may take a
> decade or more, but if
> things go the way they have been I predict that
> Microsoft will cripple
> Oracle by integrating SQL Server with the operating
> system.  Maybe we should
> start a suit against IBM.  Those evil bastards have
> bundled their database
> software with OS/400 and won't provide Oracle,
> Microsoft, or Sybase with API
> documentation so they can write a competitive
> product.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> James P. Damato
> Manager - Technical Administration
> Dollar General Corporation
> <mailto:jdamato@dollargeneral.com>
>
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