Hi Jim
I generally agree. And although I do see some value in the Idea, I would be inclined to give a low priority, a nice-to-have kind of thing. The precedent of things like the %left and %right BIFs put me in that position - we've had ways to do those for years. IBM have still decided it was worth their time and money to add those to RPG.
Vern
On Wed, 31 Jul, 2024 at 9:11 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Forgive my lack of understanding what the use case is for this request. 90% of the time we are trying to compress spaces out of things, not add them. As to placing a space between concatenated strings, we've been doing that for some time. So the question becomes why ask IBM to spend money now and forever (support) on a use case that has other already supported methods.
Brigita has suggested a way to do this with a service program. Why not start building your own series of functions that you use such as this one, then publish them as open source? That's been going on for years in other technologies, and only now seems to be picking up in the IBM i space.
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 8:52 AM VERNON HAMBERG Owner via MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Birgitta
Sounds good, there are many ways to have useful functions. I hope others are encouraged to do what you have done, it's not difficult.
It is still not unprecedented for IBM to add BIFs of functions that have been in SQL - I find it to be a reasonable request, not urgent, but worth having.
Cheers
Vern
On Wed, 31 Jul, 2024 at 8:15 AM, Birgitta Hauser <Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
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Vern,
I wrapped a lot of SQL functions that were not available in RPG as RPG functions (in a single Service Program) ;)
... no need to use directly embedded SQL
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
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Modernization – Education – Consulting on IBM i
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I think there is precedent to add functions that used to be only in SQL, to add them as %BIFs in RPG. Examples include the LEFT and RIGHT functions in SQL - a quick look showed me they were in 7.1 of SQL on IBM i, and they were not new then.
So %left and %right were not long ago added in IBM i 7.5 TR3 and 7.4 TR9. We can very simply use embedded SQL functions, of course, yet, at the same time, I'm less interested in using an SQLRPGLE member for a simple or single function like this. The community can vote on it - we shall see what happens!
Cheers
Vern
On 7/31/2024 12:56 AM, Birgitta Hauser wrote:
You have a SPACE scalar function in SQL ... so just use embedded SQL
and you have the function.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Birgitta Hauser
Modernization – Education – Consulting on IBM i Database and Software
Architect IBM Champion since 2020
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Brown)
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Subject: Proposal for New RPG BIF
Team,
Honestly, I didn't want to go and look for the already posted
proposals for new TRs in RPG.
If this already exists and was rejected, just throw me a lot of rotten
eggs (LOL).
I am thinking of a new BIF: %SPACES(nSpaces)
This would help a lot to stuff in a string a number of spaces when
concatenating several pieces of other strings.
Example:
stmfString = var1 + %SPACES(50) + var2 + %SPACES(20);
The literal number of spaces can also be a variable containing a valid
positive value for the number of spaces to stuff in.
Opinions? (Or rotten eggs).
Thanks,
JS
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