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RE: NTP vs SNTP

If you use AD and rely on correct time, I'd even recommend an in-house Stratum 1 time server. GPS-based time sources are cheap to implement (as in, cost of cabling, fitting and hardware is easily doable under $1000), and this removes the dependency on internet access, which allows you to easily create air-gapped segments.

Another good reason to have accurate time that's not necessarily dependent on external connectivity is when you have the infrastructure in place for (real time) failover or migrations; things like vMotion or other live migration features rely on correct timestamping to put the two copies of a virtual machine (or LPAR) in lockstep to be able to hand over from one hardware node to another. Things like this should not fail when internet connectivity is gone.

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From: MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roberto José Etcheverry Romero
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:43 PM
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Subject: Re: NTP vs SNTP

If you have any kind of enterprise you should have an inhouse NTP server that gets it's time from the closest ntp.org and point everything from the storage devices, network switches, IBM i LPARs, windows clients, etc to it.
That way you are certain that everything is sync'ed.
If you have Active directory you usually sync to the PDC or equivalent, since kerberos is picky with time for its auth tickets.
There's nothing wrong with pointing everything to ntp.org but the increased traffic and having to allow those devices communication to the internet might not be a good idea.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:42 PM Steinmetz, Paul via MIDRANGE-L < midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Not directly related.
I was receiving TCP9110, did know why.
I had previous SNTP issues, caused by the time servers I was pointing
to were no longer valid.
I now use us.pool.ntp.org.
Is there a better choice?

Some interesting articles SNTP vs NTP.


https://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/125508/computers/which_sh
ould_i_use_ntp_or_sntp.html

Paul




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No. Why? Is this related to this decision?

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Rob,

Did you receive a TCP9110 30 DIAGNOSTIC The maximum threshold for SNTP
Client errors has been reached?

Paul

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I guess NTP vs SNTP is not a mission critical thing. After all, this
system was off by 3 minutes until last week when we noticed that it
wasn't communicating to the ntp server due to firewall issues. So if
I mangle it I can reverse it without too much issue, right? I may try
it when I get a few other things cleared off of my plate.

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There shouldn't be any difference. It is a client difference, not a
protocol difference. The server shouldn't care what the client is
using. I think anything running windows 10 is now NTP.

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Apparently NTP is a new thing with 7.3 and above. It can be used
instead of SNTP as a client to keep your clocks in sync. I only
discovered this because I was using the webby IBM Navigator for i.
Drilled down into TCP, Servers and checked SNTP and tried to view
Connection Status and it was blank. Opened up a ticket. The support
person had to look it up and get back to me. Basically it will be
blank unless you change your client type from SNTP to NTP. He changed
it on his system and then the connection status screen was active.
It all sounds simple to me until I start worrying about if that will
come through different ports, etc on our firewall thus having to get
numerous network consultants from different companies involved (DMZ
lpar). And if there might be any required modifications on the SNTP
servers to support NTP. At this time I'm thinking not worth it. What say ye?

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