Re: Another FieldProc question

I don't think so Rob...
Furthermore, DB2 prevents an INSERT statement from inserting a row or an
UPDATE statement from modifying a row such that the current user cannot be
permitted to
access it.

You're not seeing the next sentence..
You cannot create a situation in which the data you inserted or changed is
no longer
accessible to you.

As I read it, MASK just limits what you see...it doesn't limit what you can
update. You'd need something else to prevent a user from updating a
specific column when he has update authority to the table & row...

Charles



On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:53 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I thought of that too. Like maybe it only works in SQL and is ignored by
RLA. However IBM just doesn't do that with new features, especially with
DDL.
Testing has shown that SQL updates and inserts can update masked columns,
which flies in the face of this section.
If it had stopped them then I would have written a RLA program to test.


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From: "Jon Paris" <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange-L Midrange-l" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/31/2018 09:46 AM
Subject: Re: Another FieldProc question
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Maybe the terms UPDATE and INSERT are being used in an SQL context here
Rob?

Otherwise I'm going to have to spend more time parsing the semantics of
this section.


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On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:07 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

But doesn't that totally fly in the face of this line from section 3.5:
<snip>
Furthermore, DB2 prevents an INSERT statement from inserting a row or an

UPDATE statement from modifying a row such that the current user cannot

be

permitted to access it. You cannot create a situation in which the data
you inserted or changed is no longer accessible to you.
</snip>

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From: "Jon Paris" <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange-L Midrange-l" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/30/2018 04:04 PM
Subject: Re: Another FieldProc question
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Yup - which is why we said we thought that they should have done

something

to better protect against accidental damage.

My preference - after further thought - is that perhaps the field should

be automatically protected against update by native methods. Similar in

a

way to the "invisible" variable length fields that we originally had

until

RPG could handle them properly.

I don't think you should have to rely on someone remembering to set a
check constraint on the field if RCAC is applied to a file. Perhaps,

again

for native access, it should prohibit update _unless_ there is such a
check in place.

Dunno - but it struck me at the time, and I still feel, that the feature

was not thought through thoroughly enough.


Jon Paris

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On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Wow did I initially read the redbook wrong. I read your blog and my
initial impression was that y'all were way off base. However I find it

tough to think Kent Milligan is due for a whiz quiz so I reread the
redbook.
<snip>
5.3 Accidental updates with masked values
The masked values that are returned by a column mask can potentially

cause

the original
data value to be accidentally overwritten, especially with applications

using native record-level
access.
For example, consider a table containing three columns of first name,

last

name, and tax ID
that is read by an RPG program. The user running the program is not
authorized to see the
tax ID value, so a masked value (*****3333) is written into the

program's

record buffer, as
shown Figure 5-1.
In this example, the application reads the data for an update to

correct

the misspelling of the
last name. The last name value is changed to Smith in the buffer. Now,

a

WRITE request is
issued by the program, which uses the contents of the record buffer to
update the row in the
underlying DB2 table. Unfortunately, the record buffer still contains a

masked value for the tax
ID, so the tax ID value in the table is accidentally set to the masked
value.
<image></image>
Obviously, careful planning and testing should be exercised to avoid
accidental updates with
masked values.
DB2 for i also enhanced its check constraint support in the IBM i 7.2
release with a new ON
UPDATE clause that allows the existing value to be preserved when a

masked

value is detected
by a check constraint. Details about how to employ this new check
constraint support can be
found in 6.8.1, “Check constraint solution” on page 108.
</snip>

So basically Kent was right and the check constraint should stop the
errant update. What it doesn't stop is the intentional hack. For
example, if you read the column and RCAC masks it as *****1234 and you

do

an update and have the check constraint "on update violation" set that

if

the string begins with "*****" to ignore the update of that column

you're

all good. But if someone reads *****1234 and sets it to 123456789 it

will

write out the whole 123456789.

Section 3.5 and section 5.3 seem to totally conflict.
https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp5110.pdf


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From: "Jon Paris" <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange-L Midrange-l" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/30/2018 03:24 PM
Subject: Re: Another FieldProc question
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



We blogged about this some time back when we became concerned at the
somewhat cavalier approach some people were taking in applying this
capability to tables that were also handled by native RPG.

Here's the blog post

http://ibmsystemsmag.com/blogs/idevelop/archive/rcac-two-steps-forward-one-back/

<

http://ibmsystemsmag.com/blogs/idevelop/archive/rcac-two-steps-forward-one-back/

if you read the comments you'll see Kent Milligan's take on it.

Our advice remains to be very very careful in applying this to existing

applications.


Jon Paris

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On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:00 PM, James H. H. Lampert

<jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 8/30/18, 11:50 AM, Rob Berendt wrote:

I think Buck is right on with his suggestion to supply feed back at

the

end of his long reply.
JSMITH reads the row using an RPG read.
The value of SSN is shown to him as *****1234.
The program does: ssn='123456789' then an RPG update. Does it

accept

that and store the encrypted value of '123456789' or what? Like,

"so

I

can't read it, can I set the value instead"?

Mr. Berendt guessed right. The circumstances in question are indeed

strictly native Record Level Access. What happens if the record is

updated

by somebody who sees a redacted value, both with and without attempting

to

change the value?

Thanks, Rob, for saving me the trouble of clarifying the

circumstances.

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