The move to 70GB minimum drives was really due to that was the smallest
drive IBM sold at that point. In a physical partition that is still true
although I don't think they sell anything under 140GB now, and often times
much bigger.
The virtualized IBM i environment drive limit is still 35GB.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:50 PM
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Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
Rob,
So back then if the 35 gig Load source drive was getting filled, my CE
really thought that the drive had become just the system objects/files and
that was how I heard him. That "chunk" was now at the end of the drive
size. Hence, let's move to 70 gig drives for minimum.
Interesting, and kinda useless information. Love it.
Bill
From: Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 05/31/2017 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
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Think of it like this.
You have x number of drives.
One of those drives is flagged as your load source drive.
When you load LIC on to your system it takes up a chunk of that drive.
Maybe you can think of it as a big IFS file which doesn't show up in WRKLNK.
But it has a special flag on it to say stay on the load source drive only.
And it will use contiguous space instead of being scattered like single
level storage stuff is.
So, when you upgrade from 7.1 it needs to increase the size of this chunk.
It does a special operation where it clears the disk following this chunk
up to the new size. It just moves objects in it's way to other sectors
and/or drives. Then it reserves the contiguous space needed for this chunk.
Rob Berendt
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From: broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: 05/31/2017 12:52 PM
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So now I have this impression that the 70 gig "partition" is
nothing more than a segment of the disk that can grown
within until another bigger size for LIC is required. Albeit,
using the unused space in that part of the 70 gig area as it grows.
The more I thought about it the more I realized that when
I owned my first B10 there were only 3 drives. Can't imagine
one of those drives only being system stuff with no user data.
Bill
From: Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/31/2017 11:40 AM
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It has the LIC, IBM i (QSYS) and a couple of other libraries on it, in
addition to user data. It must have the bootstrap sector (to use an older
term) so when the system goes to look for its OS, it can find it. In a
pure sense the LIC is the OS, although the ties between IBM i and LIC blur
the line between OS and application.
You're CE is mistaken.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:42 AM
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Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
Is the Load source drive only used for the system or does it contain user
data as well? Seem to recall from years ago a CE told me that what's on
the
load source drive is only system stuff.
Myth?
Bill
From: Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/31/2017 08:53 AM
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Take the option and it will allow you to do the immediate (which almost
always still requires an IPL, albeit a much shorter one) or to create the
space at the next IPL. If it does not need space it will tell you.
Rob, you're tending to over complicate the problem. It's really very
simple.
Is the load source 70GB or bigger in native size? Check, looks to be a
140.
Is there sufficient space on the load source? Check Looks like the space
is there.
Create the space for LIC. (requires an IPL)
Now do the rest of the planning.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob
Berendt
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
Jim,
<snip>
Go to licpgm menu and take option 5. Then the last option in the menu to
provide the LIC space.
</snip>
I am sure that Justin is following directions. He did find the note about
load source size.
However, are the directions telling you to do that again? For awhile they
were telling you to do it manually. I wonder if these were temp
instructions while waiting for a PTF to update the option to check load
source size?
see:
CALL PGM(QLPALCSP) PARM('V7R3M0' 's')
at
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzahc/allocatespace
lic.htm#allocatespacelic
or 7.2 at
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_72/rzahc/allocatespace
lic.htm#allocatespacelic
You have to understand menus and GUI's were so last decade. The command
line is king now. Just look at how much you have to do at the command
line
in "Enhanced" HMC now.
Rob Berendt
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From: Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/31/2017 09:32 AM
Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Justin:
As I pointed out the 70GB drive minimum is really just a hard number they
came up with because at the time, it was the smallest drive sold.
What you really need is sufficient space on that load source drive to add
the LIC space that will be needed. So if your load source drive is a 70GB
drive, and you have 20% of space available on it, you should be good to
go.
Go to licpgm menu and take option 5. Then the last option in the menu to
provide the LIC space.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Justin Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:49 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: 7.3 upgrade & disk space requirement
So that 70 GB requirement is for temp space, not permanently allocated
space?
WRKDSKSTS shows 139594 M for each unit.
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