RE: New loser cost IBM i announced

Jim,
I think Aaron will be screaming about performance
way before the end of 25 users on a P05. We
notice lag on our P05 Power 7 when 5 people are
banging on it. And that's just development.

Bill





From: Jim Oberholtzer <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/14/2017 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: New loser cost IBM i announced
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Aaron:

Really? You ask for a low cost system, they give it to you, but now you
want that lower cost system to be the same as the one that already exists?

Truthfully if you get this new box over 25 users there's not going to be
enough memory/horsepower to push them. So let's say that allow it, next
you'll complain that the box is underpowered. After that you'll complain
it
won't do any virtualization.

The software is already at a P05 so that's cheap. Now the hardware cost
of
acquisition is lower again. If you only need 5 users, then only buy 5
users. If you need more up to the 25 then you can purchase them. (it's
a
license key change so anyone can do it) You can already buy the
compilers
and development tools at a lower user count than the total users so peg
that
at one.

If you grow to the point where you need the extra feature/horsepower then
you'll get new hardware and migrate your software to it. Just like we do
today already.


--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Aaron
Bartell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:07 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: New loser cost IBM i announced

I'm guessing although it's not announced they would allow you to take
the

software to a new box (with the appropriate charges of course) so you
would
not lose your investment in this software.

I am more curious about the interesting approach IBM is taking with this.
For example, say I grow to 50 users and have no issue paying for them. It
appears I don't have the option to purchase more users and instead would
need to upgrade hardware. In short, and another way to say it, IBM makes
it
hard to give them money.

Aaron Bartell
IBM i hosting, starting at $157/month. litmis.com/spaces


On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There is no announced upgrade path from this system.

I'm guessing although it's not announced they would allow you to take
the software to a new box (with the appropriate charges of course) so
you would not lose your investment in this software


--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Aaron Bartell
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: New loser cost IBM i announced

"IBM i 7.3 TR2, 7.2 TR6, or later, operating system support with a
maximum

of 25 IBM i user entitlements"

Kudos to IBM for finding ways to get a lower cost machine. I am
curious if there is a simple growth path once they out grow 25 users.
Is a different/new server necessary at that point?



Aaron Bartell
IBM i hosting, starting at $157/month. litmis.com/spaces


On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Justin Taylor <JUSTIN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The specs look a lot like the P720 we're running, although I don't
see a CPW listing.

Another important spec:
"IBM i 7.3 TR2, 7.2 TR6, or later, operating system support with a
maximum of 25 IBM i user entitlements"





-----Original Message-----
From: Vernon Hamberg [mailto:vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:47 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New loser cost IBM i announced

Recently there's been discussion of a need for a lower cost IBM i -
now we have the S812 -

*New entry-priced model S812*

IBM i support is extended to include a new entry-priced model S812
with i
7.3 TR2 on a P05 software tier. The S812 is a simplified, low-cost
offering aimed at those who want a basic system with i and native
I/O support, and do not have large hardware growth expectations. The
S812 features a 1-core,
3 GHz POWER8 processor chip, up to 64 GB memory, six PCIe slots, and
up to eight disks/SSDs in a 2U footprint. As only a single partition
is supported on this server, there is no virtualization of I/O and
no use of Virtual I/O Server (VIOS).

Maybe this will fit the needs of some of us and others.

Regards
Vern

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