Re: Python on iSeries

LOL Justin - this conversation is about over, I think.

There were, to reply to John, ways to use program-described WORKSTN files - with or without format names. You can use the CRTDSPF with *NONE for the source file.

Externalization was a real enhancement over internal descriptions - and as you say we are looking at other choices for output these days.

Vern

On 1/16/2017 10:07 AM, Justin Taylor wrote:

I was not trying to open the can of worms of printed output vs alternatives.



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From: John Yeung [mailto:gallium.arsenide@xxxxxxxxx]
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Subject: Re: Python on iSeries

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Vernon Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Justin - I need to hear more - What is the context of your comment?
Do you mean that in your shop, every report is done with O-specs?

I think that is what he means. I think he would prefer to use PRTFs.

Or are you saying we should not be using PRTFs at all?

No one is saying that.

I will still hold that externalizing display and print to DSPFs and
PRTFs was and continues to be going far past internally-described in O-specs.

Well, there's practically no other way to do 5250 displays than with DSPFs. Is there such a thing as an "internally described" display? I know there are the DSM APIs, but few people get trained on those. I think fewer people even know about those than people who knew about Python on the i five years ago.

Anyway, I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that the built-in support for "in-line" screen programming is nearly as strong as the support for in-line spooled output programming. That was a long way for me to say that DSPF and PRTF cannot really be argued on the same terms.

The question of going to other target output is a different one, IMO.

It's a different question, but relevant. In the real world, someone might be trying to make a decision between O-specs and a PRTF, when it could be that their situation would actually be better served if they chose neither.

John Y.