Re: DIY

[DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

First, I would be a little hesitant telling the world and all the IBMers 
listening here that you will re-install the O/S every 70 days when it 
requires you accept the license agreement to do so and in there tells 
you that you may not do that. :-)  Like it says on every movie DVD ever 
made: Piracy is not a victimless crime.

On the flip side I laud your goal of becoming the Jedi master of these 
things however you will need to execute the 'spendalotofmoney' command 
to acquire enough hardware and software to truly get that experience.

For example customers are quickly now migrating from internal disk to 
SAN storage so becoming master of internal storage (cheap to acquire) 
will soon have (perhaps already has) significantly less value in the 
market.

IOPs are dead, ignore them. Modems, SCSI Cards, and nearly all tape 
besides LTO have gone to haunt the FrankenLab, not customer data centers.

Once upon a time I asked a very wise IBMer "How do you be an expert in 
all thinks like you are??"  His answer was VERY good:

"I'm not! You see there are hundreds of very smart people at IBM 
building and testing and designing and improving all parts of the system 
and its software. I cannot hope in 10 lifetimes to keep up with them. So 
I am only an expert in some things, I keep up with those things, and I 
speak about those things! It is YOU that implied I am an expert in all 
things because I am an expert in the things I speak about."

And so we have many people on this list who are good in many things but 
true experts in fewer. Aaron can explain web stuff to a tree root and it 
will understand, Pete will give you every nuance of an IBM i upgrade, 
Birgitta will make SQL sing better than Pavarotti. But you won't see 
Aaron doing PTFs, (oops, maybe that one) or Pete doing Ruby, or Birgitta 
designing a SAN solution.

Pick your areas to be master of or become 'Jack of all trades, master of 
none.'

        - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 12/30/2015 4:28 PM, Rob wrote:
> Aaron,
>
>      My end goal is to have my own development machine at home.
> Something I can practice with and learn the IBM i inside and out...
>
>      Building...  OS installation...  System protection...  OS, Software
> and Data Backup, Recovery & mirroring.
>
>      I have that level of competence with the Windows and Linux systems
> I manage.  I hate off the shelf machines.  They were lacking the moment
> they were designed.
>
>      I do not mind installing the OS every 70 days.  What I will be
> using for does not require 24/7 operations.  I what to become a master
> of this universe which is the IBM i.
>
>      I really like Mark Waterbury suggestion of starting with a used 520
> for a few hundred dollars... adding some SCSI DASD drives.  But I
> understand the IOP cards and other processor boards to consider. I want
> to learn it all!
>
> Thanks,
> Rob.
>
> On 12/30/2015 02:42 PM, Aaron Bartell wrote:
> > Rob Couch, what is your end goal?  Learn how to put together an IBM i or
> > <something else>?
> >
> > Aaron Bartell
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> > > used Power 8 hardware...
> > > </snip>
> > > will be a lot rarer than a used 2016 Cadillac.
> > > People tend to hold on to their Power equipment for at least a couple of
> > > years.
> > >
> > > And, yeah, that license of IBM i... You might want to research that
> > > before
> > > scouring Ebay for used Power 8's.
> > >
> > > IDK if you have much familiarity with AIX but my boss felt that buying a
> > > licence of AIX to run on Power was chump change compared to what
> > > licences
> > > of IBM i cost.  And then there's SQL, compilers, etc.  All sold
> > > separately.
> > > Really starts to make idevcloud look good.  I get no money from them.
> > >
> > > See the command WRKLICINF on your system.
> > >
> > > Rob Berendt
> > > --
> > > IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
> > > Group Dekko
> > > Dept 1600
> > > Mail to:  2505 Dekko Drive
> > >            Garrett, IN 46738
> > > Ship to:  Dock 108
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> > > http://www.dekko.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:   Rob <rob.couch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To:     midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date:   12/30/2015 03:11 PM
> > > Subject:        DIY
> > > Sent by:        "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have learned quite a bit in a very short time....
> > >
> > >       Thanks Mark...
> > >
> > > So I guess I am looking for used Power 8 hardware...
> > >
> > > I am thinking my home office rack and my wallet wont know what hit
> > > them!!!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rob
> > >
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