I'm surprised that Trevor hasn't chimed in. :-))

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-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff
Young
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:38 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: End of support for IBM i 6.1 is 9/30/2015

Rob,
The OP indicated at the end of his post that that is what the clients say.

Jeff Young
Sr. Programmer Analyst

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yeah, I double checked. There's only a few of the newer systems that do
not support 6.1. And those all support 7.1 and 7.2. At the time they
came out 7.1 was out for quite some time so it's not they came out with
7.1 solely for those new machines. So I really don't get where you're
coming from with that statement that the OS was only upgraded to support
new hardware.

7.1 and 7.2 both have a LOT of "What's new for this release" information.
Most of this is broken down by area. So you have to open up DB2 and read
"What's new for this release", then RPG, then ...
Many of these sections have a subsection "What's new SINCE this release"
which is basically what has come out with various Technology Refreshes,
PTF's, etc.

Has there been PTF's or Technology Refreshes that have come out in order
to support new hardware such as disk drive such and such or tape drive
this and that? Sure. But I'll warrant that every one of the new TR's
also had a lot of software enhancements and support for future software
enhancements (which often came out in companion PTFs).


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: rob@xxxxxxxxx
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/31/2015 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: End of support for IBM i 6.1 is 9/30/2015
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Don,

If you want to denigrate recent releases as only hardware in order to
justify not upgrading so be it. Not that there's a lick of truth to that.
Or, are you saying that's what the customers are saying? Because I have
to think that they are only saying that to justify their lack of move.


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: "Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/31/2015 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: End of support for IBM i 6.1 is 9/30/2015
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



10 - most recent releases have been largely to accommodate hardware that
IBM
wants to sell and create forced obsolescene and increasing IBM's footprint
in the eunochs market space...what's good for IBM isn't always in the best
interest for the end user/customer - ie, it ain't broke, we ain't fixing
it... So says clients....





-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Lindstrom, Scott R.
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: End of support for IBM i 6.1 is 9/30/2015

09 - This machine will be replaced by non IBM i software and hardware

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:46 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: End of support for IBM i 6.1 is 9/30/2015

values days('2015-09-30') - days(current date)

Today marks 30 days until end of support for IBM i 6.1


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Hopefully you have already upgraded before now. If not, why not?
01 - My hardware does not support past 6.1
02 - My vendor will not certify their software to run on anything newer
than
6 years old.
03 - We always run on x-2 hoping the bugs have been worked out.
04 - Too busy
05 - We run 24x7x365. We haven't even done a full system save in a
decade.
06 - I've never put on a PTF so why do I care about support?
07 - If it ain't broke, why fix it?
08 - We dropped support for both IBM i and vendor software to save money
and
it costs too much to catch back up.
09 - This machine will be replaced by non IBM i software and hardware.
10 - Not missing my Saturday morning cartoons for anything.
11 - Retiring soon, like I give a rip.
12 - Other (explain)


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1 Group Dekko Dept 1600 Mail
to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755


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