Both of those comments are way out of line with the discussion and I wish it
would stop.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects
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Nelson
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Careful, now. David's a democrat.
:-))
Paul Nelson
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Gunsmith? Where can I get me a handgun...or bazooka?
Since barry obummers is doing so much for race relations I think I'll need
something soon!
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From: Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 9:31 am
Subject: RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?
Thanks to companies who outsource, those pastures aren't so green anymore.
Looking at Jim's figures for IT graduation rates, perhaps the word is
getting out that the money is better in other disciplines.
My oldest son
(41) has been a web developer for years, and even had his own retail web
site for a while. He'll be leaving the industry this year. He's found that
he can make better money as a gunsmith.
Paul Nelson
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Office
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MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:35 AM
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Subject: RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?
I can't believe this, but Paul and I actually agree about something! I base
my agreement after training programmers for a company years ago. We wound
up taking recruits out of accounting, warehousing, even
(shutter) sales.
The only problem was the company didn't pay that well so, once they got
trained they usually wound up leaving for greener (i.e., more
lucrative)
pastures.
Jerry C. Adams
Personally I don't think you can make a
lawyer honest by an act of the
Legislature. You've got to work on his
conscience. And his lack of a
conscience is what makes him a lawyer. -Will Rogers IBM i Programmer/Analyst
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NMM&D
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Nelson
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:35 PM
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Subject: RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?
I've always held that it's easier to teach someone with a business degree to
program than it is to teach somebody with a computer science degree how to
produce financial statements and understand inventory control.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office
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Oberholtzer
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:40 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems
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Subject: RE: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?
Holger,
We are finding on the west coast of the US, California primarily but the
entire coast, is about half the developers working in the tech sector never
went to additional schooling after high school. They get hired on, work
80-90 hours/week and in two years are as productive as 10 year vets in the
industry. What they don't have is the industry and life
experiences needed
to produce applications that are effective in a business environment.
Companies are relying on those of us with some grey hair to provide that
perspective.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical
Architect
Agile Technology Architects
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MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holger
Scherer
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:35 PM
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Discussion
Subject: Re: What's the median age of the developers in your shop?
Maybe this will help your determination - here in Germany i know of a lot of
IBM i shops where >50% of the developers do not have any grade which is IT
related...
-h
Am 11.06.15 um 23:29 schrieb Jim Oberholtzer:
This is but one small slice of data used to determine the suggested
directions.
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