It's really not the setup time or the initial cost. It's the mentality of Windows admins that Windows server OS can't do more than one thing at a time or it will crash so each new service needs its own server (virtual usually). So that then means another server to setup and patch weekly and monitor for intrusions and scan for vulnerabilities and then get the "we need more staff because we went from 100 servers last year to 120 servers this year that we have to support". (and not exaggerating here - we did increase our windows server count last year by about 15% without adding any new services, just taking existing services and making them run standalone or setting up some additional redundancy just in case the existing servers crashed). And then the additional overhead to support the VMWare server and its OS so I can run the multitude of Windows OS's under it. And then because we have so many windows servers we need another windows server to more easily manage the windows servers. Add to that the ever expanding need for more floor space in the datacenter, more power, more HVAC all because of the windows server explosion.
In comparison I added 3 new services on my iSeries last year and didn't need any new hardware or OS installs.
I will admit that some of this is not the technology but the technologist who support it.
I don't agree with COMMON not running windows sessions. It is part of our lives and probably will be forever so we all need to learn how to best integrate the two worlds. Be that for password syncing, or data replication/access to/from the other environment.
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Schoen
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 12:01 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: need for simple web screen
Really Mike ?
That's your reasoning in today's world of Vmware servers :-)
A simple IIS App server takes minutes to set up and all your data still stays on the i.
This is the mentality that causes folks like Jon Paris and Tim Rowe to not want to speak any Microsoft.
It also causes organizations like COMMON to cater to the same old crowd of developers.
I find it laughable that there are 0.0 Microsoft sessions at COMMON this year.
My sessions all got dropped and I was pretty much told there was no demand for Microsoft sessions at COMMON.
Pelkie does the only real training and it's for Penton who recently stopped publishing iProDeveloper.
Don't say Microsoft in the same breath as IBM i. People might leave the i :-)
It's happening whether we like it or not. Embrace enhancing your i with Microsoft. You might actually like the apps you can build.
For the record and I have said it here before, IBM ported the Mono Runtime to PASE several years back but it never saw the light of day because they couldn't get it released. The port was done by a team of interns if I recall correctly.
Without vocal support from more than just me you might as well bolt on a Windows 2012 VM and get on with it.
You guys probably get academic discounts as well :-)
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message: 6
date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:27:34 +0000
from: Mike Cunningham <mike.cunningham@xxxxxxx>
subject: RE: need for simple web screen
Now if only Microsoft would allow me to deploy asp.net on my iSeries hardware so I don't need to real with putting up a windows server and adding to my support overhead.
-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Schoen
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 11:24 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: need for simple web screen
It appears you've answered your own question.
ASP.Net and C# :-)
Regards,
Richard Schoen
RJS Software Systems Inc.
Where Information Meets Innovation
Document Management, Workflow, Report Delivery, Forms and Business Intelligence
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message: 9
date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:25:04 -0400
from: Hoteltravelfundotcom <hoteltravelfun@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: need for simple web screen
thanks, I will join web 400 now. I think using rpg would be the way to go for our shop. I don't know php but work in asp.net c#
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not going to argue with Rob that this is theoretically a viable option
BUT
IBM have not done anything with this tool for many, many years. They
have dropped it completely from _every_ platform except the IBM i.
Unless you know you are going to do this one simple web report and
then retire before anyone asks you to do another I can't recommend it.
It is a dead end.
On 2014-05-05, at 10:05 AM, rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
The simplest, fastest, free method might be net.data. It's not the
latest
rage. It's not the prettiest lady on the block. But for a simple
quickie
report it rocks.
Jon Paris
www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com
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