And since you're making such a moral judgment with almost no facts...
We should all assume that you are of such high moral character that you're
allowed to sit in judgment of others because:
- You never ran a red light or stop sign
- You've never drove faster than the speed limit
- You've never "borrowed" some tape or staples or ink pen from work
- You've never lied about anything
- You've never cheated at anything
- You've never...I grow weary of this...
And besides that, we were entitled to the PTFs when we ordered the V6R1
software, but because we didn't actually install it until a year later, we
didn't even think about ordering PTFs at the time we still had maintenance.
I remember now why I generally do not take part in these lists any more.
There are so many people on here who I wouldn't waste 30 seconds talking to
in the real world that you have to slog through on here just to participate
in a conversation that it's not hardly worth it. I stopped participating a
long time ago after reading so many rude, arrogant and downright mean
comments from many of the "names" on this list and others too that I just
gave up.
It's been more than a year since I was on this list and I thought that since
I needed some help I thought I would go against my better judgment and join
again. It didn't even take 24 hours to see once again why I decided to stay
away from here in the first place.
Now, having said all that, MOST of the people are here are really good
people who truly want to participate as professionals and want to help
others, but there is also a core group of posters who are true asswipes and
they ruin it for everyone else.
I very much appreciate everyone who offered useful suggestions!
I'm sure you and others will want to keep arguing this because so many of
you apparently have nothing else to do all day but play on these lists...but
I'm dropping off this group again before I have to get into any other
dumbass arguments.
After 25 years of working on this platform and helping to build and define
this community, I am just not going to do it any more. Life is too short to
tolerate people I wouldn't even want to break bread with.
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Harris
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:32 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: OS/400 V6R1 Cumulative PTFs
This might not be a popular opinion, but...
Whether or not you can get the media, I think you need to ask yourself
whether you are entitled to the PTFs or not.
Hopefully the machine you are applying them to is not making you money ofg
the back of the OS, in which case you really are (IMO) obligated to either
deal with the support costs or forgo the PTFs as they are provided as part
of the support contract you don't want to pay for.
Maybe you have some other machines, and maybe their are some other
mitigating factors, but I'd feel ethically challenged taking support for my
business but not paying for it.
Just my .02.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Shannon O'Donnell <
sodonnell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
I have a used 520 that I was able to migrate to V6R1 before the
support on it ran out, but we did not think to order the cumulative
PTFs or the HIPERS, and all the Group PTFs while we still could under
maintenance. We had ordered V6R1 and then let it sit around for more
than a year, well after maintenance was up, before we loaded it on
that system.
We do not use this system very much anymore so there did not seem to be
any
sense in paying $3K a year in maintenance for it at the time. Recently,
however, we wanted to test some software on it and realized that we
need to
apply all the PTFs, HIPERS and all the Group PTFs to do so. I checked
with our BP and it would cost us just under $5K to put the system back
on maintenance with IBM and that includes the penalty fee IBM forces
on you (big blue jerks). That's an outrageous fee for something we
will only use sporadically.
So before I give up entirely on using this box, I wanted to ask if
there is anyone out here who has all the latest (wouldn't even
necessarily need to be the LATEST! As no ptfs were applied for V6R1)
Cumulative PTFs, all the Group PTFs and all the HIPERS laying around
on DVD/CD somewhere and could loan them to us.
I would be glad to pay a reasonable fee and of course pay for shipping
both ways so I could get them back to you when we are done loading them.
Can anyone help me with this or is this just too far out there of a
request?
If you want, please feel free to contact me off-list.
Thanks!
Shannon O'Donnell
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