Re: Thin client was: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1922

Wasn't there some GUI part of lan console that used to emulate pushing the
white button on the front, and stuff like that?


Rob Berendt
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From: Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 10/03/2013 02:10 PM
Subject: Re: Thin client was: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1922
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Except ASMI isn't available. It _used_ to be available, but I get

"Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap"

because (I assume) the ssl it's using is too old for the current version
of
Firefox. I did everything at this page:


http://stevehuston.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/read-and-follow-all-directions-carefully-and-firefox-ssl-settings-for-accessing-ibm-pseries-asmi-via-https/


which helped for a couple of months, but, alas, that too ultimately failed
as Firefox kept updating.



On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Roberto José Etcheverry Romero <
yggdrasil.raiker@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On that subject, with LAN console and ASMI access you can basically do
all you could do with an HMC (single-partition systems only, of
course), one of the drawbacks i've seen with Lan Console is that you
don't get all the low level SRCs (but you can go into the ASMI and get
a live panel read)...
So, if you've got >Power5 hard and you use Lan Console, get an ASMI
connection as well. That saturday when you send PWRDWNSYS *IMMED but
forget the Restart *YES, you'll love having the ASMI avaiable.

best Regards,


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Regarding Operations Console ("OC") and LAN Console ("LC"):

I used to have OC as I was one of those who believed the console

should

have it's own "special wire." When it got to the point that OC was no
longer going to be supported, I was forced to go to LC.

I followed some advice from here (forget if it was Pete or Larry). I
actually put a 2nd ethernet card in each of 2 PCs here, used an old

Linksys

switch, and I have LC available on 2 PCs on an entirely separate

network,

so to speak. I had some issues which IBM software support resolved in
pretty short order. And LC is way way better than OC. Much quicker

to

respond. And the console is definitely there even in restricted

state.

I

VPN in from home to my desktop at night while watching TV and do IPLs

when

necessary to apply PTFs.




On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:35 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Okay speed readers, slow down and read the posts. :-)

"Thin client" is NOT a generic term. It is a term for a very

specific

piece of, ahem, hardware. It was only useful on a few select

platforms.

Anything boldly labeled a Power system will not use them. I don't

count a

Power 5 as boldly labeled a Power system as IBM still marketed those

as

system i or whatever. A thin client will NOT work on a Power 6 or a

Power

7.

The only system consoles available on a Power 7 are:
- Lan console. Great for single partition machines.
- HMC or Hardware Management Console. Darn near required for

multiple

partition machines, with a few exceptions.
- FSM or Flex Systems Manager. I've no experience with this. The

name

seems to indicate it's for IBM "Flex" systems.

I've used the first two. Once back on a Power 4 multilpar machine.

And

once on a side job with a single lpar machine. Actually the Power 4

setup

was Operations Console and not Lan Console.

Buzz, your LAN console connection is what you want to use. You can

start

up a 5250 console session on it and it should default to running in

your

controlling subsystem. This session should continue to run even in
restricted state. Yes, it does amaze me how IBM can get just enough

low

level TCP running to support Lan Console and not restrict a rclstg,

full

system save, etc, not one whit. You can do an ENDTCP and a ENDSBS

*ALL

*IMMED and your console will not be affected. It can do your

PWRDWNSYS

and you will see the screen as it apply ptf's and everything else.

You

can use your favorite PC Anywhere or Dameware software to take

control

of

this remotely.

The difference between Operations Console and Lan Console was that

your

Lan Console was on your Lan. And you could have more than one (as a
backup or whatever). Operations Console required a special wire.

Yes,

there are those who feel it doesn't count as a system console if it
doesn't have it's own unique wiring system.
Operations Console has been discontinued.


Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko
Dept 1600
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Garrett, IN 46738
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From: "Buzz Fenner" <bfenner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 10/02/2013 03:48 PM
Subject: RE: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 12, Issue 1922
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:52:01, Rob Berendt wrote:

Sorry but there's some miscommunication here.
I want to know the model number of your thin console, not your

power 7

machine.

Rob,

Sorry about the mix up, we don't have a thin console connection but

use

a

LAN connection. But I did check in the hardware information center

and

found
this:

"Use the Thin Console on the following models: 9405-520, 9406-520,
9406-525,
9406-550, and 9407-515. These models must be running i5/OS V5R3 or

later

and
a firmware level or SF240 or later."

However, I really like the flexibility afforded with that sort of
connectivity; I'll even tunnel in from home and do system

administration

tasks. Heck, even using Access Client Solutions on a Win 8 laptop

(thanks

Tim!).

--
Buzz


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