RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

Hopefully you bank with a bank where the safe deposit boxes are in the vault. I'm familiar with several banks up here in the NorthWest (not my current employer) that do not have them in the vault and thus they are not as well protected in case the bank catches fire. In fact I can think of three of the top of my head whose names I won't mention where you would probably lose anything but precious stones and metals and your metals would in all likelihood be slagged in the bottom of the box.

Coy Krill

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:25 PM
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Importance: Low

Not to worry. The really important stuff is in the safe deposit boxes at the bank. The stuff in the fireproof file cabinet is expendable.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Allen
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:20 PM
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While doing some research on fireproof safes recently I came a lot of information that all say basically the same thing...

"DO NOT store data/media or family photos in a fireproof safe.
The word fireproof means "resistant to fire" and some buyers assume that a fireproof safe will protect everything. Data and media (photos, CDs/DVDs and computer disks/tapes, etc) are very sensitive to heat and humidity/moisture and your standard fireproof safe is not engineered to specifically protect against these things. Fireproof safes are engineered and designed to protect paper and keep the internal temperature of the safe below 350 degrees, which is the critical temperature where paper will start to char and burn. This method of protection creates steam (moisture) inside the safe. Any sensitive data or media will be badly damaged or destroyed at or above 135 degrees or 85% humidity.

If you have any special data or media that you need to protect against fire, a data/media safe is what you should consider purchasing. These safes will keep the inside temperature below 135 degrees as well as the humidity below 85%."

John


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From: Paul Nelson [mailto:nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:42 AM
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Subject: RE: cloud backup services - Dropbox

That's what the NSA thought until Edward Snowden came along.
I'll stick with tapes.

My system is in my office, which is a separate building from my house. The tapes are in a fireproof file cabinet in the house.


Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bronski
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:35 AM
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Did I mention that the data in the backups is encrypted?

On 7/26/2013 4:29 PM, Paul Nelson wrote:

Good point. Carbonite is even worse. Did you know that

medical

insurance companies regularly put your records on

www.box.com?

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl

J Novit

Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:24 AM
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Subject: Re: cloud backup services - Dropbox

You should be very careful with anything you put on

Dropbox.

Look at their T &C's. I believe they have the right to do

anything

they want with data stored in Dropbox, though it would be

harder to

use i data vs. PC files.

Thanks,





Carl Novit
Vice President
Extension: 7708





From: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion

<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,

Date: 07/26/2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: cloud backup services
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Sounds kinda cool but let me ask a question:

So my system just got flooded and IBM brought be a brand

new system.

I've reloaded my savsys and IBM libraries and am ready to

restore my

users/ programs/ data.

What are the steps to do that from DropBox with your

software?

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/26/2013 9:21 AM, Tim Bronski wrote:

If you're looking for something that will let you do more

transactional backups rather than a full DR then you

might want to

have a look at our Dropbox app for IBM i. It's a free

product that

lets you move data between your IBMi and Dropbox. We're

currently

connecting it with our SAVE product that let's you do

encrypted

backups so you'll be able to save and restore directly

from Dropbox.

www.arpeggiosoftware.com

On 7/26/2013 2:14 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

It's good to see we have considered the same issues as

we talked here.

We currently have around 750GB used space on a 1.2TB

system. We do a

full user library backup and a full IFS (we store scanned

documents in

the IFS) backup nightly. We do not do only changed

objects. Makes

restore so much easier. We do a full system save monthly.

If we made

this change I would still do the system save and have it

local, off

site in a vault. I would probably still keep a tape of the

nightly

backup locally for quick access for non-disaster restores

and instead

of driving the tapes to the vault daily, replicate the

backup to the cloud.

Option 1 below sounds like what I was considering.

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From: DrFranken [mailto:midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:14 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Cc: Mike Cunningham
Subject: Re: cloud backup services

<Vendor Response>

At iInTheCloud.com we offer two cloud based backup

options.

1- Back up to a local Crossroads SPHiNX VTL which is

then replicated

automatically to our SPHiNX.

- Advantage is fast backups with a local

copy for

fast

restores.

- Automatic off-site copy as soon as the

backup

completes.

2- Use PowerHA or Mimix or MaxAva or ... to replicate

data to a

partition in our cloud. Backups are then done on our

system and you

have no outage whatever.

- Advantage is data is ALWAYS off site

and current there.

- Advantage is bandwidth is much less as

only changes

cross the wire and they do so all day long as they occur.

- Disadvantage is a local restore is hard

because the

backups are with us!

</Vendor Response>

Nathan's response pointed out one issue

with backups

to

the cloud:

Bandwidth! You need a bunch in most cases unless you can

really

figure

out what to back up each night. Change 1 row in a

500,000,000 row

table and you get to send the entire table with that

night's backup.

If you were replicating to a remote server or partition

ONLY that one

change

goes across so its done instantly.

ALSO COnsider that until the ENTIRE

backup has been

copied off-site you got NOTHIN off site. Partial doesn't

do you much good.

With replication you're current off site almost

continuously.

Just some points to ponder.....

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/25/2013 10:46 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

Is anyone using cloud backup services for iSeries

nightly backups?

If

you are how much data are you sending nightly and what

service are you

using?

Mike Cunningham
VP for Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania

College of

Technology www.pct.edu<http://www.pct.edu/>

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