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RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Wrong name, old system?

Where is the response from the CA equivalent of Trevor?


FWiW, I am much more in the Trevor camp than the "it doesn't matter what we
call it" camp. At my previous employer, the old system name was xxx400P. I
named the Power 6 box "iSnoopy" - custom signon screen with the name full
size.



-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Wilt
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:20 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Hmm...kind of doubt that as Synon doesn't exist ;)

I assume you mean CA...bit surprised at that. Let me guess, your client is
running a really old version...and hasn't paid maint for years...

Still 100K seems a bit steep...

Charles


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Paul Nelson <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Additionally, Synon wants to charge them $100K to move the license
from their current development box to the one being used by all the
other developers.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Murphy/STAR
BASE Consulting Inc.
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:22 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Ahh... so they aren't hamstrung by Synon, it was some bad business
decisions that doomed them.

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----"Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/16/2013 01:11PM
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

<<If they have current programming staff,>>

There's the rub. Almost all of the Americans were laid off when they
plunged down the outsourcing "Black Hole". Their American contracting
firm is gone in 30 days.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Coy Krill
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Synon is pretty easy to understand. If they have current programming
staff, it should take them much to understand how it works, especially
if they find an Action Diagramming book at half-price books or
something like that. I believe they guys name was Martin that wrote
the book we considered our "Synon Bible" even though it wasn't
specifically about Synon. They had a really good tutorial too IIRC
that covered designing a relational database and writing the
application in Synon to manage it.

coy

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Murphy/STAR
BASE Consulting Inc.
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 06:27
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

There is Synon talent out here, and it isn't hard to learn, though it
may be hard to find folks who aren't already employed.

Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----"Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----To: "'Midrange
Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 05/14/2013 03:51PM
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

And then there's Synon. One of my clients is hamstrung because a bunch
of their business critical code is written with Synon.

Any guesses where the remaining Synon talent sits these days?

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Hopkins
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:30 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Any ASSET programmer they find better know RPG....At least that was my
experience with the case tool even before it was used with BPCS.

Regards,
Bill Hopkins

12500 West Creek Parkway
Richmond, VA 23238
w: (276) 634-8286
f: (804) 484-8410
e: BHopkins@xxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:19 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Isn't the reason that LX is now in RPGLE due to the fact that that
Infor can't find ASSET programmers? At least that's what one of the LX
support folks told me a while back.

:-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:16 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?

yeah, and that new version of Infor LX we put on that's written in
RPGLE...
And all those ads I am getting for Infor LX that hit many of the web
sites I frequent (including facebook and linkedin).

Said with no sarcasm and with total sincerity.


Rob Berendt
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to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
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http://www.dekko.com





From: Michael Schutte <mschutte369@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 05/14/2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



hmm i wonder what I'm doing then... no new development in RPG. Okay.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dan Kimmel
<dkimmel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

RPG and COBOL are dead. No new development in these languages is
being done. Others on this list may disagree: I ask them to provide
concrete examples of development being done beyond a few modules in
either
language.
That being said, there are millions upon millions of lines of code
in
both
languages that will need maintenance and improvement for the next
century
or so.

The problem is that RPG and COBOL are just not tool-able to the
extent others are.

If you want to be close to the metal, learn C. If you want to write
very high-level stuff using standard libraries and open source
libraries,
learn
Java. If you want to write code for PC that runs on Microsoft PC's
learn Visual Basic or C#. If you want to write mobile apps, learn
Java or Objective-C.

CL is easy and doesn't take long to learn. It is has limited
applicability
besides IBMi system operations. If you want to be an IBMi systems
operator
or systems administrator, learn CL.

Notice that nowhere do I mention C++. I think it is dead, too.

There are other languages that have niche markets; python and php,
for instance.

If you're going to do anything with user interfaces, learn html,
xml, javascript, CSS and xmlTransform .

There's no single language you can learn that is going to carry your
career. You're have to learn to learn new stuff every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay B Carley
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Being new to midrange systems, I'm attempting to pick up skills that
will be useful for me in the future, in hopes to get a job working
with them. Reading articles that say things like COBOL is uncool,
and RPG is worse isn't really giving me hope for a future working
with a midrange system though.

Is it going to be worth my time to learn things like CL, COBOL, and
RPG now? Or are they fading away? It would be pretty sad to
finally become proficient with these languages, only to find out
that they are dead and replaced with <blah> instead.

What would you recommend a newcomer focus on (aside from system
operations)?

Reading Rob's message from last week regarding "20 years of
experience, versus one year of experience repeated 20 times" looks
like a pretty good starting place I suppose. I'm really trying to
look at where we're going to be in the years to come, not necessarily
tomorrow.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Clay Carley
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