Re: Fireproof cabinets for tape storage

[Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>]

A walk in vault would be poor protection from fire as they usually
have ventilation.

And a basic fireproof safe, ie. for paper, won't protect media.

Charles


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jerry C. Adams <midrange@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In New Mexico our company building was completely precast concrete (we
> owned
> a precast plant, too).  The center of the building was a walk-in vault;
> seriously, it had a bank vault door combination and all.  The walls were a
> foot thick.  The vault was, I think, about 20' x 20' so it was good size.
> AND inside it was your basic fireproof safe; I forget its rating.
>
> Admittedly we never had an incident to test the set-up.  And most companies
> don't have the motivation (we used the building as a demo) or resources to
> go to those lengths.
>
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> Any "smoking hole" production site scenario will be painful regardless and
> you will eventually have to rebuild all the infrastructure. However if you
> have a Prod_VTL replicating to DR_VTL to go along with prod host systems
> replicating to DR host systems then the VTL replicated backup data will be
> available to the DR systems immediately (except for what was in transit
> during the disaster). Your backups would just run from the DR host system
> to
> the DR_VTL while production is unavailable.
>
> You are right to assume I would argue the time to rebuild a VTL would be
> relatively the same as a tape library. Resynchronizing the data from
> scratch
> would take a while depending on its size and your network bandwidth, but so
> would transporting physical media from DR site back to Prod assuming you
> had
> to "white glove" it through some service.
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> What happens if your office is Chicago and your offsite VTL is in Denver
> and
> the office in Chicago (along with the VTL) burns?  What's the turn around
> time on a new VTL?  Of course, you could shove that back on me and say
> "about the same time as a new TS3200 tape library".
>
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> From:   <brad.lovelady@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:     <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Date:   02/26/2013 06:19 PM
> Subject:        RE: Fireproof cabinets for tape storage
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>
> I would suggest you take a look at a either EMC Data Domain or IBM
> Protectier VTL as a substitute for having to frequently deal with physical
> media storage challenges. Granted you will need two of them (VTL
> appliances) in order to replicate virtual tape pools from one site to
> another, so it will initially cost more. In the long run you can eliminate
> portable media liability, cost to manage & store tapes, and probably
> enhance
> your backup throughput depending on what VTL model you purchase.
> Oh, and you will definitely achieve 24/7/265 access to backed up data if a
> VTL is involved.....without having to pay for "white glove" delivery or FTE
> time to fetch a tapes from off-site storage.
>
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> mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Kern
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> Subject: Fireproof cabinets for tape storage
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I've been asked to research fireproof cabinets for tape and usb/flash drive
> storage for our backups.
>
> I did some googling first and found many vendors (of course) and then asked
> myself 'what would the wizards on midrange-L use or recommend'?
> We are looking to replace our bank safe deposit box and install a new
> cabinet onsite and in one of our remote locations, so that in the event of
> a
> disaster we will have immediate 24x7x365 access to our backups.
> For us the cloud isn't an option.
>
> So who are the vendors you'd recommend based on quality, performance and
> price?
>
> If you can supply the vendor names, I can do the rest - I'd just like to
> weed out those that aren't well know or proven.
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