Yeah, I had the same thought when I saw the suggestion. I, too, worked on
construction systems for >20 years. I've only gotten halfway through this
thread, but I feel an urge to jump in at this point.
The argument that I always got when I suggested "outsourcing" timecard and
other entry to the foremen was, "Our foremen are lucky if they have a sixth
grade education." I don't know if that's true anymore, but the GUI is so
ubiquitous these days that I am hard pressed to imagine any foreman that
couldn't deal with it. Probably better than with a 5250 interface.
The foremen with whom I dealt just filled out timecards and sent them to the
payroll department for data entry. In that scenario 5250 may be faster.
But, if foremen are entering the time, the time difference would, in my
experience (and opinion) be negligible. The problem I had with foremen was
that that invariably waited until the end of the week to even fill out the
time cards, which meant they had to remember which cost code "Paul" worked
on Monday, etc.
Finally, (trust me on this one, Paul) pay rates by cost code within pay item
within job (you know the drill) is easier to program than pricing structures
for wholesalers! Give me the logic of construction (cost) accounting any
day.
Jerry C. Adams
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you.
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:21 PM
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Subject: RE: New COMMON Conference
Take a ride over to Ames Construction there in Burnsville and have them tell
you why your suggestion wouldn't work that well.
Carl Bolander over in St. Paul would give you the same kind of answer.
I don't mean to sound like a smart aleck, but when you have guys working
different cost codes at different rates in the same day, a mobile time clock
ain't gonna cut it.
Paul Nelson
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Kimmel
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:07 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: New COMMON Conference
Why are your users keying time cards at all? The workers should be clocking
in and out on a mobile timeclock and the entries automatically collected in
time cards. The guy in the trailer does a quick edit on a good gui and
submits for payroll.
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:37 PM
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Subject: RE: New COMMON Conference
OK, now key 150 time cards in time to make a union payroll.
:-))
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Schoen
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:35 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: New COMMON Conference
You can roll a jQueryMobile theme in green and black and viola !!
Green Screen Mobile :-)
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date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:22:13 -0500
from: "Paul Nelson" <nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: New COMMON Conference
FWIW, for a construction company, nothing beats a green screen for banging
in time cards and invoices.
Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Klement
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:19 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: New COMMON Conference
FWIW.... I agree with your users. When I see green screen, I go "ewwwwww",
too.
However, I don't like that you are associating GreenScreen=IBMi, and
GUI=Windows.
You can (and should!) write GUI apps on IBM i. I've been telling people to
do that for 10+ years. Your users shouldn't know or care where the data
resides... what they should know/care about is that it's stable, and always
there when they need it. And IBM i excels at that.
Take iPhone, iPad, Android phones, Blackberries... all easy to use GUI
interfaces, none of them are Windows in any way shape or form. How about
XBox, Wii, PS3... all easy to use GUI devices, no Windows involved.
IBM i can be a major player in that world too, using GUI technologies like
web. The only reason you still code green screens is because you (or
someone else in your environment) has made that choice.
Note that we actively discourage green-screen sessions at COMMON. (Much
more so than Richard's .NET sessions!)
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