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Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:05:53 -0500
From: vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: open source IBM i. was Re: From RGP to ¿Java ?
True enough - but there are more places to go with the Tab key than just
the entry elements of the form - if you happen to stray off of the form,
good luck getting back.
So I still think it takes a little more work - and still not so good for
heads down data entry as the green screen - oh - and do you have
something for a newline? Seriously, that'd be cool!
Vern
Raul A. Jager W. wrote:
A simple "form" in html allows the user to go from field to field using--
the tab key.
A small JavaScript will make the + behave as "field +" and the - as
"field -".
Vern Hamberg escribió:
Au contraire, Pierre! Or Jean!!
Any interface where you have to use your eye to locate where you are
entering text is inherently slow. It IS possible, probably, to write a
GUI app that uses tabs and some kind of newline key for navigation, but
it's not simple to do. Heads down data entry people really fly on green
screens.
Users that do occasional entry can use a well-designed GUI just fine, I
suppose.
JMHO
Vern
Josh Diggs wrote:
I don't really buy this argument. Of course people who already know the current process don't want it to change. In my opinion that has very little to do with green screen versus GUI. Instead, I think that is indicative of user's resistance to change. The other side of that coin is that any new users are almost certainly going to be GUI literate. As such you only have to train functionality, and not interface for new users.
I do agree that green screen data entry is faster bar none.
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wintermute, Sharon
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:35 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: open source IBM i. was Re: From RGP to ¿Java ?
One point I would like to make is that not every one WANTS a GUI.
For straight data entry purposes, its much faster to use a "green screen" style of entry. The end user that actually "uses" the system is not the one pushing for a gui - management is.
One client offered the users a choice, 8 out of 10 wanted the green screen. Speed of data entry was the reason. Point and click just does not give that to you. Most of the users used the type-ahead feature. At that point they didn't want the PC but it was forced on them for email purposes. Now, they see the benefit of point and click for some things, but straight data entry? - No.
Now granted the other 2 were casual users that really didn't enter any data, they simply "managed". They were the ones that wanted the same GUI type applications they had on their desktops.
Sharon Wintermute
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nathan Andelin
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:20 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: open source IBM i. was Re: From RGP to ¿Java ?
From: M. LazarusYour competition provides a GUI, and you don't? It was about 1993 when we began feeling pressure from prospects and competitors to provide a GUI - which begs the question, what have you been doing for the past 16 years, or so?
Have you gone on a sales call where your competition has the GUI and
you don't? I have and it's not pretty.
Waiting for IBM to fix the problem?
Nathan.
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