RE: Another iSeries bites the dust

Pete,

Most software vendors (not ours) will charge to move their
software to ANY new machine. Sometime a few hundred dollars
some times tens of thousands of dollars.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Massiello [mailto:pmassiello-ml@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:07 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Another iSeries bites the dust

If they have the software (licensed program products) on
their existing
machine they could transfer it all over to the new machine.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul
Nelson
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:19 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Another iSeries bites the dust

Pete,
Can that customer get a 515 without having to buy ANY new
software beyond
the OS and maybe PDM?

Paul Nelson
Office 512-392-2577
Cell 708-670-6978
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pete
Massiello
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:52 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Another iSeries bites the dust

Sharon,

I can definitely see where both of you are coming
from, and I think
we need to distinguish between nice to have and required,
which is
definitely the instance on that small customer with a 150
and a nice to have
Power 5 515.

There needs to be quite a difference for a small
company to make
that move and make that investment. Going back to the
truck, while they
will both get you from point A to Point B, the newer truck
is probably more
fuel efficient (really only matters if you drive
considerable distance for
payback), but then I wouldn't want to be in an older truck
without Airbags &
Crumple-zones, GPS Navigation, all wheel drive, etc. That
is the difference
between those two trucks, and likewise the two machines.

The machine has to fit the customer and their
budget. Keeping their
old machine will allow them to continue to run the same old
applications.
Putting in a new machine will allow them to use features and
functions like
Web Query or other new functions they may need to expand the
business.

JMHO
Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Wintermute, Sharon
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:00 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Another iSeries bites the dust


Lukas,

Unsupported software? That's my responsibility. In the
last 5 years I
have had to make a total of 3 changes to support his
business. If he
doesn't want to upgrade that's his call. You can get
replacement parts,
he just didn't have them on-hand. Now he keeps drives on
site instead
of waiting.

I disagree with the idea that you have to be on the latest
and greatest
to be competitive. Power5 systems are fine if you need
that, for his
needs the 150 is perfect. Not running on a power5 is not
WRONG.

The definition of a good product is not necessarily that it
is "current
and supported" by the manufacturer. As long as it provides
a benefit to
the business then it is filling its need.

Don't you realize how many products are "not supported" yet
still being
used? Why should I buy that 2009 truck when the 1986
version still
works and can be "supported"?

Don't inflict your bias on others.


Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lukas
Beeler
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:44 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Another iSeries bites the dust

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Wintermute, Sharon
<Sharon.Wintermute@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No that's one tough system.

No, that's luck. Running unsupported software on hardware
that no
longer has a ready supply for replacements parts is stupid,
no matter
which way you put it.

If you're not running at least a POWER5 machine today,
you're doing
something wrong.

Note: That doesn't mean you necessarely have to run into a
brick wall.
It might work perfectly. Until.

We have some customers that are still running NT4 SBS. Does
that make
it a good product in todays world? Hell no. It just means
that some of
the customers running really outdates hard and software can
get lucky
and not have their entire IT infrastructure fall on their
head.