RE: ibm i development budget -- MIDRANGE-L

Tommy,

Yes. And IBM told us a couple of years ago when they
came up with the name "System i" that there would be
no more renamings for 10 years.

You've seen the time frame between releases. If not
take a look here:
http://www-304.ibm.com/systems/support/i/planning/upgrade/suptschedule.html

As you can see we're now basically on a two-year
release schedule. So by 2010 how many more releases
do you think we'll have? One?

Sure they could do the same trick they did when they
renamed V5R5 to V6R1 at the last minute (gives the
impression things are moving along doesn't it).

So, whether they call it V6R2 or V7R1 there will
probably be a new release around 2010. Does calling
it V7 make it sound like here's more life in the old
dog? If so I expect that's what they'll call it. But
it's not what they call it, it's what will be in it.

...Neil

--- Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

actually at COMMON IBM told us (i forget if it was a
session or town hall)
that v7 is already being developed and is scheduled
to release around
2010.

Thanks,
Tommy Holden

From:
"Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx>
To:
"'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
05/05/2008 10:53 AM
Subject:
RE: ibm i development budget

Well, Tommy...

I think that Tim and the folks in the Jungle get it
right many many more
times than they get it wrong...and I think they've
gotten it right
again...

Neil and I have and will disagree about how
usefull/useless Haines was,
but
that's a minor point.

There MAY be a 7.1 but not many people are expect
much after that(hell
(IBM'ers and high level insiders) weren't expecting
anything after
6.3!)...and yes, it'll be around for a while, but
then, so are OS/2, NT,
etc...anyone wanna bet their mortgage on them?
Anyone remember what
happened to the S/36 environment once IBM wanted to
get rid of it? Or
what
HP has done to MPE in favor of a higher services
generator like HP/UX?

Yes, the development budget and actual developers
have been cut WAY WAY
back...some people are referring it to walking
through empty
halls...people
who used to be dedicated to i5/os(whatever), now are
being dedicated to
z/os, linux, "blue topia", AIX/L, and other project,
and the ones that are
still on i5/os are told that it's a small percentage
of their
responsibility...

Neil did get a quote wrong, as I recall... As I
recall hearing it from
the
same connection in IBM that he did, Gerstner told
Jarosh something more
like
"Do not GROW this product line, MANAGE IT'S
DECLINE"... And, frankly, if
you look at the trends and evidence from that time
period, that's EXACTLY
what you see... And every GM that I've mentioned
this to has not denied
it.

Negativism? If you think so, then it's time to get
your heads out of the
sand(or elsewhere), smell the coffee and take a look
and real review of
the
market place and declining market share...everyone
else(ESPECIALLY IBM
INSIDERS!) realizes this...IBM is still following
Gerstner's orders...

IBM isn't growing the application base that runs on
i5/os...IBM isn't
pushing applications on i5/os... IBM is a services
company and they're
more
interested in pushing tools and
services...preferably on platforms that by
their design and nature require a higher level of
services for the same
comparable amount of functionality...

Face it: You can't run unix, windows, linux, etc.,
lights out like you
can
iSeries(or whatever).

And, yes, I don't like it either!

Don in DC

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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:13 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: ibm i development budget

FWIW i never hang my hat on anything said at IT
Jungle. too many times
have i looked at their viewpoint/stance and found it
to be total hogwash.
IMO no one should give them any credence whatsoever.
should they start
writing *good* credible articles i'll start
listening...

Thanks,
Tommy Holden

From:
"Steve Richter" <stephenrichter@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
"Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
05/04/2008 08:42 PM
Subject:
ibm i development budget

Neil Palmer writes in ITJungle this week:
"...I really want to believe that there is a "next
20 years" as Mark said
at
COMMON, but looking back at the past year, we've
seen the i5/OS
development
budget progressively chopped from around $130
million to around $28
million.
..."

http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh050508-story04.html

Is that accurate? $28 million budgeted for working
on enhancements to the
base OS? Does that number include bug fixes and
PTFs?

With that kind of a limited budget, I question if
there will be a v6r2.

-Steve
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