Re: drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features

So Trevor...are you calling Joe a politician LOL? (i'd vote for him)

Thanks,
Tommy Holden



From:
Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
05/02/2008 09:21 AM
Subject:
drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features



Don,

I have seen the Joe Pluta version of the EGL ("extraordinary tool")
koolaid
in person. I have read over and over the EGL koolaid that Joe Pluta
"sells"
on midrange-L. None of it makes me want to use EGL.

On top of that, Joe Pluta SLAMMED me here for my support of SOA - many
times. He now embraces SOA (claiming EGL is SOA) - that being a complete
turnaround from his previous perspectives, without recognition that he has
changed his position, and without apology. On top of that, he embraces
other
positions which he once lambasted as untenable. When I listen to a speaker
talk on a subject, I want passion, but I don't want someone who has
strongly
represented a different side of the argument previously, without
explanation.

I understand you are trying to embrace EGL at the DC users group, but
having
a koolaid session does very little for the adoption of EGL. It certainly
may
be an entertaining session! I could tell you what you need, but I am
afraid
of Joe Pluta threatening to sue me.

Maybe the DC users Group should ALSO have a big picture version of
Modernization that is not sponsoring any particular flavor? I know someone
who does that..

Trevor


On 5/2/08 9:52 AM, "Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Trevor,

Sounds like you need to attend the one-day seminar that the DC users

Group

is sponsoring this month:

http://www.wash-midrange.org/seminars/pluta0805.shtml

DR2

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Latest EGL Features

Joe,

For the rest of us who struggle to find "free time", there is a

different

requirement - and it is not programming web services all day long. Most

of

us don't have the infrastructure required to use EGL the way that you

can.

And, we don't have the connections with the IBMers who are pushing EGL

hard

and furious. Your level of productivity is not possible for the people

who

have maintenance and development to do in their job for the business

that

works them hard.

I can create web services from RPG code, or connected to my DB2

database,

just as fast, if not faster, using a third party tool like the

soarchitect

from looksoftware, and all I need is an IIS HTTP server. EGL is just

another

flavor of the day.

There were numerous complaints when the topic on midrange-L was about

naming

and branding. I state my complaint that midrange-L has now become the

Joe

Pluta EGL kool-aid delivery mechanism.

If IBM can make it with EGL, you will look good. If not, you won't. Are

you

prepared?

Trevor