RE: iNav -vs- Green (was URGENT !! Situation critique pour mimoire secondaire.) -- MIDRANGE-L

Whoa! If you were Bruce I'd say, Whoa Hoss!

You doth protest too much! I use WDSC all the time and find it does great for me. I basically despise Navigator for things that I - my - myself need to do - it just does not perform efficiently - and that is not a performance thing or speed thing - it is HOW it works for certain things. "Despise" is probably too strong - sorry - I just find that stuff I did not like 12 years ago is still there - basic good workflow stuff.

Yes, I probably painted with a fairly wide brush. If so, mea culpa. I still use Navigator only when I really have to. It has some basic design flaws that were there from the beginning that make me go to the green screen when I - me - myself = find it better to use green.

Each has its place - the database stuff in navigator is really quite fine. It's cool to have DST functionality while the box is not in restricted or otherwise unusable state - for production, that is.

I hear you, Larry, and also will stay away from Nav most of the time, when it does not do the job I need to do.

Regards
Vern

At 09:21 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

Boys, I just can't let this sit.

1) Okay iNav is not 'zippy skippy fast' but if you have a decent (read
anything recent) PC it's not as slow as you all make it out to be. Now if
you're running against an old model 170 of course the server side is going
to be a drag on the speed but again with a recent system it's truly not
bad. Part of your complaint is that you rarely use it. If you have it up
all day as I normally do then it's already running and it performs even
better.

2) Have you tried creating your interfaces in iNav so that you don't have
to switch to it to check the Proxy Arp box? Why do something half way, or
even 95% in one interface that cannot complete the task only to switch to
the other for one check box? Give it up!

3) I don't care how big your screen is. You can only get a little over a
dozen rows and 8 or so data columns you're only choosing the font pitch.
On my laptop with a second screen above the laptop panel I can see 138
jobs in iNav and over 20 columns of data. AND I can sort on any column
with a click. AND I can select jobs with F11 AND I can customize and
sequence columns with F12. AND I can create a link to active jobs (or any
other function) by dragging it to my desktop or quick launch.

I don't suppose you boys use or WDSC or RDI either? Another of those GUI
things that takes a few seconds to load and as a consequence might not be
work the trouble?

I know a builder who wouldn't go to the hardware store for a new blade for
his sawzall. Instead he spent 5 minutes literally burning through a 2x4.
He wouldn't get his air nailer out of the truck either because it took
three trips to get the nailer the compressor the hoses and the nails. Used
some cheap hammer because 'it booted up faster' (my term.) Learn the new
tools or get left behind. Really this sort of 'living in the past' so to
speak is part of the reason that our competition thinks that i *IS* the
past.

- Larry

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Hi Vern

That's true - but I bet I could do the F11 and work out the percentages
quicker than navigator would load !

I did qualify the recommendation as quick and dirty :)

I think Navigator has got a lot better, although I still can't bring
myself
to use it regularly. Every time I revisit it I am reminded of how slow it
is
and how badly it works.

I do however often use it for showing Windows guys stuff on the i. System
Values are a good example. WRKSYSVAL is a fine interface if you are used
to
the green screen thing, but the System Values dialogues in navigator work
really well particularly for sysadmins who cut their teeth on windows.
Same
goes for Ethernet routing and interfaces and as you point out, disk units.

Regards
Evan Harris

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Hi Evan

I didn't mention WRKDSKSTS, because you have to work out the real percent
used - unless everything is nicely balanced. And you have to F11 to see
which disk pools the units are in. The Navigator disk units interface is
nice, because it summarizes each disk pool. You don't get quite anything
like that on the green screen.

But then WRKDSKSTS *PRINT combines both screens.

Did I say I actually liked something in Navigator? Don't tell anyone,
please!!!

Vern

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From: "Evan Harris" <spanner@xxxxxxxxxx>

> WRKDSKSTS is a quick and dirty way of seeing how much space is available
in
> each AS and IASP. If you have BRMS you can use WRKASPBRM as well (though

> it's slower)
>
> Regards
> Evan Harris
>
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vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx

> Sent: Friday, 18 April 2008 6:03 a.m.
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> Subject: RE: URGENT !! Situation critique pour mimoire secondaire.
>
> David
>
> WRKSYSSTS should have how much room is left on the system ASP - you
might
> have to go to disk units in iSeries Navigator (does that have a new name

> yet!) which needs a DST user/password - and then you can see free space
on

> user ASPs and independent ASPs, I think. Have been playing there a bit
> lately.
>
> As to how big the contents of the save file is - DSPSAVF will give you
sizes
> of each object in there - can't get to sa system - there might be
summary
> information - there is at least an object count. Get out your calculator
or
> copy/paste into Excel.
>
> HTH
> Vern
> archives
> at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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