Point is, "can" it be done. Sure. Can it realistically be done? Not likely.
Have you honestly ever explored this space? I have and I don't think you
are giving it the due credit it deserves. Does it take a different mindset
to program more generically with a framework mindset?, you bet, but it is
easier than you think.
I believe (but I'm far from sure) that you do not have that capability in
Java. To be honest, I think it's less a "java" issue and more an app-server
issue, but now we're nit-picking.
I am not sure either on this point. My curiosity will probably get the best
of me and I will end up researching that later tonight:-)
Yes you can. Both on the same machine and on a remote machine (or in a VM
if you run that way). Not my favorite thing to do, I'd rather have good
logging w/log4net and pump up the logging level, but if you need it it's
there.
Good to know. Add one to the score for .NET!
We too use SFDC. There are many things they do right, but I'd agree, it's
not the best interface around. However, I don't believe that to be an
indictment of a browser interface, but rather one of their architecture and
programming decisions. Then again, to be fair to them, there aren't many of
us running apps with 700,000 users. :)
You danced around the base of my question. Have you ever used a well
written browser app, private or public, that was better than a well written
thick client app?
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:57 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: GUI development language
but given the right architecture the exact same thing can happen with
thick clients.
Given the _right_ architecture almost anything is possible... Many may hate
them, but MS supports a deployment of millions of PCs, spends billions to do
it, and even then they get it wrong on occasion (eg: the WGA outage last
weekend.) Point is, "can" it be done. Sure. Can it realistically be done?
Not likely.
We recently started using SalesForce.com for our CRM. Is that an
application
you would consider to have better usability than a thick client Walden?
We too use SFDC. There are many things they do right, but I'd agree, it's
not the best interface around. However, I don't believe that to be an
indictment of a browser interface, but rather one of their architecture and
programming decisions. Then again, to be fair to them, there aren't many of
us running apps with 700,000 users. :)
... but after the .war is deployed to a server is that still a
capability?
I believe (but I'm far from sure) that you do not have that capability in
Java. To be honest, I think it's less a "java" issue and more an app-server
issue, but now we're nit-picking. :)
I have the same question for .NET (which I am guessing is what you
were basing the statement on).
Yes you can. Both on the same machine and on a remote machine (or in a VM if
you run that way). Not my favorite thing to do, I'd rather have good logging
w/log4net and pump up the logging level, but if you need it it's there.
-Walden
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Tech Software
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WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
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