RE: IBM and the vanishing System i

Carson Soule is a great speaker!  I enjoyed hearing him talk about
WebSphere at the "Core Decisions" presentation put on by
iSeriesNetwork.com. 


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Justin C. Haase - Solution Engineer
IBM Certified Systems Expert - System i
Kingland Systems Corporation

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Trevor, et al,

We had Carson Soule do a b'fast keynoter at the JAM this year on SOA.
Did a really good job of it.

Don in DC

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At 02:04 PM 1/9/2007 -0600, you wrote:

Joe,

My concern is that SOA is represented correctly. A 50,000 foot overview

is always good - and as SOA evolves and matures, it is nice to get the 
latest picture.

I would suggest you could use some of the 'best' IBM speakers who are 
more neutral in their perspective of SOA. That would include Al Grega, 
Alison Butterill and Pat Fleming, for starters. I saw Al and Alison in 
action at Interaction Melbourne in October - both were well received 
for their strategic and technical view. All three can offer you the 
high level perspective, along with the technical detail worthy of OMNI.

The advantage with these speakers is that they are not going to be 
offering you Websphere as the only solution for SOA, and they will not 
be wanting to sell your attendees any services.

I apologize if there were any slight laid on OMNI about this. You know 
my personal SOA perspective, and I am determined that it is approached 
correctly - as an architecture, not a technical solution. My concern is

that if we sell Websphere as SOA, and Leonardo is a Websphere guy, we 
are back to misrepresentation - something to which you and I are

vehemently opposed.

On the other hand, as the new Community and Networking leader for 
COMMON, I am working hard to provide additional support for LUGs. OMNI 
is definitely a leader in that regard, and I would like to see your 
efforts benefit other LUGs. SOA is important to all of them, and I 
would like to see no misrepresentation made there, either.

Trevor



----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: IBM and the vanishing System i

From: Trevor Perry

I was assured it was you who opposed the SOA sessions that were 
specifically cancelled. I was told all SOA sessions were cancelled.
Apparently someone lied.

You're awfully sweet in suggesting that I have the power to overrule

the entire board of Omni <grin>.  Rest assured that all decisions on

the board are made as a whole.  Whoever "assured" you was yanking 
your chain, and evidently quite successfully.

I am glad you are having SOA represented at OMNI. I am rather 
disappointed that after your words to me at devcon about how SOA 
should be represented, you are now having IBM's perspective on SOA 
as the only one you chose.
Especially after you agreed with my assertion that IBM uses SOA to 
sell Websphere,

Actually, I'm less worried about WHO talks about SOA as to WHAT they

talk about.  We've basically been hearing the exact same 50,000 foot

buzzword speech for several years now; it's time to start actually 
putting these things into practice, which our sessions will cover.

and you expressed thanks for the neutral way I approached SOA.

I guess THAT particular olive branch was a wasted effort <smile>.

Your past outcries against SOA don't fit with using IBM as the 
correct representation of SOA.

My "outcries against SOA" amount to not wanting to hear any more 
blue-sky theory.  SOA without implementation details is as 
satisfying as EDI without specifications.  In fact, we already have 
that... it's called Web Services!

And using an IBM Websphere speaker for SOA is confusing..

Again, what we're doing is what we ALWAYS do at Omni: we provide 
sessions and speakers heavily weighted towards specific technical 
implementation details.  We've always used IBM speakers, and always 
will, and Leonardo is the guy.  Whom would you have recommended?

Joe


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