RE: The Perpetual Myth of iSeries Obsolescence

Sure.


On Wed, 3 May 2006 10:06:50 -0500, Bruce Collins wrote
> Could I get a copy of the offline?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bruce "Hoss" Collins
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-
> > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas W. Palme
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:03 AM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: RE: The Perpetual Myth of iSeries Obsolescence
> > 
> > Thanks Joe :)
> > 
> > I would most certainly agree that the comparison of per cycle cost of
> a i
> > series versus wintel is significantly higher on a purchase price
> basis.
> > 
> > I did a cost comparison about a year ago for a 520 that if you want, I
> > will
> > send it to you, I would need to remove some proprietary information
> first.
> > 
> > We compared the purchase price, support costs and ongoing maintenance
> > costs
> > and suprisingly the 520 over a 3 year period was approximately $3,000
> less
> > than a comparable Dell.
> > 
> > Douglas
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 3 May 2006 09:26:36 -0500, Joe Pluta wrote
> > > > From: Douglas W. Palme
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > > Correct me if I am wrong here but those "expensive CPU cycles" you
> are
> > > > referring to operate on the batch side, so the cost as far as
> > interactive
> > > > is concerned is not as heavy.
> > >
> > > Absolutely, Douglas!  Coupled with the decreasing price of the
> > > platform, it's certainly not as burdensome a cost.  But even with
> > > that taken into account, the price per cycle of our beloved System i
> > > is much higher than the equivalent cycle on a *nix or <shudder>
> > > Wintel box.  I'd hazard a guess that it's at least ten times as
> much.
> > >
> > > > I agree there are hidden costs that need to be evaluated including
> > what
> > is
> > > > the best platform for the situation and not all platforms are
> > applicable
> > > > in all circumstances.
> > >
> > > Absolutely.  And for the same reason no one technology is applicable
> > > in all circumstances.
> > >
> > > > Certainly no one size fits all methodology here.
> > >
> > > Again I agree.  The folks that avoided the lemming-like charge to
> > Unix/SQL
> > > in the 90s or the equivalent stampede to EJB and Struts in the first
> > > part of this decade are the ones who still have the money to use the
> > > more mature technologies.  (Note that these folks will likely NOT be
> > > rushing headlong to rewrite everything in AJAX, either.)
> > >
> > > At the same time, it certainly helps to have a baseline to compare
> > against.
> > > In the midrange, we have 5250 as a baseline to compare UI
> > > performance.  It's not a perfect baseline especially as interfaces
> > > become more interactive, but it's one our users certainly
> understand.
> > >
> > > And for web application architecture, I think JSP Model II is a
> > > pretty solid baseline.  There's really nothing you can't do with it,
> > > and it's widely available on most platforms.  So it seems reasonable
> > > to use it as a baseline to compare things like skills required and
> > > development costs and licensing requirements and flexibility of
> > deployment.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
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If you bought it, it was hauled by a truck - somewhere, sometime.