RE: Determine bottlenecks during backup

Actually,

The 5702 is already on a different bus.

The bus it is on doesn't have any DASD.

And I installed it hot last week....does that make me good? <grin>

Charles Wilt
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Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America
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> By the way, if you're good you can move this controller card 
> without any 
> downtime.  If you're a coward you can get IBM to do it for 
> you and still 
> not have any downtime.
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> Good points John.
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> If at all possible, put your tape controller card on a bus 
> with no dasd - 
> BIG DIFFERENCE!
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> I did have one save drop dramatically when the same hardware 
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> What kind of tape drive?
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> The SCSI interface in this case is very likely not the 
> bottleneck; I've
> got 5702s that are doing about 275MB/s (compressed) with LTO3 drives.
> That leaves the potential bottlenecks as:
> 
> 1. Tape drive.  If LTO2 or LTO3, this should not be the bottleneck
> unless the drive is malfunctioning or dirty.
> 2. System bus.  Could be the problem.  Where is bus 28?  If not in the
> CEC, what type of tower?  I had LTO2 drives on our former 
> 830; one on a
> controller in the CEC and one in a migration tower (a former 
> 720 frame).
> The drive on the controller in the CEC was significantly faster (more
> than 2x) than the drive in the tower even though the drives themselves
> were identical.
> 3. System (CPU/RAM).  This is probably not the bottleneck unless the
> partition is RAM-constrained.
> 4. Disk subsystem.
> 5. Object type.  Fewer-but-larger objects will save faster 
> than lots of
> small objects.  The more objects there are the higher the system
> overhead.
> 6. Save type.  Turn on compression for the non-SAVSYS pieces; 
> you've got
> plenty of CPU to handle it.
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> Also, try to figure out which part of the 21 is taking a lot of time.
> Is it IFS, NONSYS, SAVSYS, etc.?  Easiest way is to look at 
> the job log
> afterwards and look at the timestamps.
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> All,
> 
> I'm trying to evaluate the performance of our new backup system.
> 
> The tape device is rated at 200 MB/s and is attached to an 
> 160MB/s 5702
> SCSI card.
> 
> However, on my first test save menu option 21 save I saved 238.7 GB of
> data (uncompressed) in about 90 minutes, a throughput of 
> about 45 MB/s.
> 
> The iSeries is a model 810 with 2700CPW of which 87% (2349CPW) is
> assigned to the primary partition being backed up.
> 
> System bus 1 has a 2757 Controller card with 12x4326 RAIDed.  Of those
> 12 disks, the system ASP contains 10 disks, and a user ASP is 
> configured
> with 2 disks.
> 
> System bus 28 has the 5702 controller card.
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> How can I tell if the save is bottlenecked by CPU, disk, bus, or tape
> device?
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> Thanks,
> 
> Charles Wilt
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> iSeries Systems Administrator / Developer Mitsubishi Electric 
> Automotive
> America
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> fax: 513-398-1121
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