RE: ALDON Question

I'm not sure how much more help I can be, but let me relate this.

I create commands to front-end the majority of my work. To keep the library
list a slim as possible, I utilize the product library (PRDLIB) parameter on
CRTCMD. 

I experienced a similar situation as you, where I want the command to "just
work" in my development and quality libraries. When using option 15 (create
options), I wanted Aldon to populate the product library based on where the
object is compiled. You can't put &OL (object library) in the create command
screen.

What I had to do (and works for us) is go into main menu 11. Setup menu, 4.
Work with definitions of commands that create objects, position to CRTCMD
and option 2 to change. In the create keywords, I added PRDLIB(&OL). 

So for any of my programs, I'll check out the command and its processing
program, compile both into dev, then I can run LG/command and it will run
the correct program.

Perhaps if you talk to Aldon some more, you might be able to utilize a
similar strategy at the application or release level.

Loyd Goodbar
Senior programmer/analyst
BorgWarner
E/TS Water Valley
662-473-5713

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 19:48
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: ALDON Question

Aldon respond as you might expect and with further digging it appears that
real problem might just be with the CRTPGM command. 

My initial approach was to create the program in my library using a Binding
Directory and a Library List that included my library as the current library
and the ITG library that contained all of the modules that were not being
changed. The module being changed was in my library. The binding director
included entries for each module in the collection with *libl include for
each module definition. This structure did not create the program.

My next step was to change the CRTPGM command so it included explicit
references to the required modules including explicit reference to the
actual libraries. This structure worked. Tomorrow, I will try this same
approach but will change the library references to *libl and then I will
change the Binding Directory approach with explicit library references.

Any experiences with CRTPGM similar to this would be appreciated.

For those who are interested this is the comment that we got back from
Aldon.

Alvin,

Thank you for the details. The information you sent shows a successful
checkout of the module and a successful creation of the module, so our
processing for the modules is working fine. I am thinking that there is some
confusion here, the checkout operation by nature will copy the source from
the environment where it is being checked out from to the developer
environment, it will not copy the object to the development environment,
unless it is a non source based object.

The create process will be looking in the environment libraries for the
modules, if they are not present in the development environment. This will
include the PDN, QUA and ITG environments if they are all used in the
promotion path.

If this is still an issue, could you forward the following output
1. The create in development report and joblog that is causing the problem.
2. An option 11 Print details of the object in question, and a module that
is not found.


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Water Valley)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: ALDON Question

Thinking about it some more, what do you want Aldon to do?

Do you want Aldon to copy the module objects to your dev library?
That may be feasible but not worth the effort if...

Do you want Aldon to manage the binding directory entries?
The overriding problem is the binding directory is not source based. I don't
think Aldon will touch (modify) non-source based objects. So you would ask
Aldon to look up the module in the binding directory in dev, and change the
library to the current environment library. That sounds like too much sugar
for a dime. That's also why you can't use substitution variables (&LIB) with
it I suspect - not source based.

I'm interested in hearing Aldon's reponse.

Loyd Goodbar
Senior programmer/analyst
BorgWarner
E/TS Water Valley
662-473-5713
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 19:19
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Subject: RE: ALDON Question

Thanks for the feedback. We have opened a discussion with Aldon. Will let
the list know the results.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc.

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Subject: RE: ALDON Question

Now I see what you're saying. You are modifying a module that's used in a
binding directory. To be honest, I haven't had to do this through Aldon.
However, you can specify *LIBL for the module's library in the binding
directory. It will be found when Aldon compiles the program object in order
of development, integration, quality, production.

You can still recompile the module and program objects in your library.
You'd need to test this, but I think once you compile the program, you
should see the library where Aldon and the binding directory found your
module. Do a DSPPGM on the program object, and screen 3 of 7 (Detail:
*MODULE) shows modules used. I suspect OS400 will replace the *LIBL with the
actual library of the module bound to the program.

This way, you are using known good code (modules in production) and testing
your code in dev.

HTH,
Loyd


Loyd Goodbar
Senior programmer/analyst
BorgWarner
E/TS Water Valley
662-473-5713
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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 23:51
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Subject: RE: ALDON Question

OK, so what you are telling me is that I should never create the program in
my development library because using a Binding Directory will tell the
compilier logic that the "other" modules are in the production environment.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc.

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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:58 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: ALDON Question

This to how Aldon works. Think about it like this: the program object in
your library already contains the module, so you don't need the module
object. 

You don't need to recompile all of the modules when recreating the *PGM
object. Remember, when Aldon recompiles, your production library is in the
recompile job's library list. Your development library is first, then QA
libraries, then any production libraries. Just change the modules you need
in your dev library, recompile them and the program. Unless you hardcoded
the module list when creating the program.... That's a no-no. Aldon's
designed to use the library list, so let it.

HTH,
Loyd

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Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:17 AM
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Subject: ALDON Question

Have an application at a client site that consists of a program that 7 bound
modules. When the application was constructed in ALDON all seven Modules
were identified, along with a Binding Directory, supporting Display Files
and the bound program. Everything seems to work just fine but when I went to
check out the objects to make a change, I was surprised to find that the
program object was brought to my library as was the binding directory and
the source for all modules.     

What wasn't brought across were the module objects. 

 

My question: is this a normal ALDON characteristic or is this a function of
local settings that could be changed. It is a real pain to have to compile
all of the modules when you really only have to make a change in one.

 

Jack Derham

Direct Systems, Inc.