Re: Websphere Learning Curve -- MIDRANGE-L

Here's IBM's 'official' websphere  site:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/websphere/

On 6/20/05 08:47 PM, "jns" <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Are there any public sites that show a websphere scenario for learning or
> sales purposes?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 9:07 AM
>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
>> 
>> Jay -
>> 
>> The decision is more along the lines of application serving versus
>> Common Gateway Interface. And there's a whole debate about that. IMO,
>> most things that people want to do can be done with CGI stuff. However,
>> that usually means that you're hosting the CGI program on your business
>> logic server (iSeries), where an application server (like WAS) could be
>> hosted on Linux or Windows and talk to the backend. This should reduce
>> security exposure.
>> 
>> Some people say that CGI doesn't scale well. Others say it scales fine.
>> I think the application server concept is more flexible, but it's more
>> complicated to implement. There are also many applications that need an
>> application server, so your choices could be limited by that.
>> 
>> But, if you want to put up some web pages that are served by your
>> iSeries, and have users fill out forms and get data back from the
>> iSeries, you can do that simply with CGI. If you need to implement
>> someone else's code, and they require an application server, then you
>> need WAS...or Tomcat.
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
>>> From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 11:55 am
>>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> 
>>> Michael, the forms are primarily NON Static.
>>> Your point is good, but it raises another question, Why would anyone go to a
>> websphere platform?
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 8:40 AM
>>>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
>>>> 
>>>> Do they just want static forms (PDFs maybe) posted on a web site for
>>>> download, or do they want interactive forms that will accept
>>>> information and access a database and post information back? For the
>>>> former, WAS is not needed at all - the Apache web server will work
>>>> fine. If it's the latter, then also look at CGI programming.
>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
>>>>> From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 11:21 am
>>>>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes WAS. The company wants to have their shipping rates, ins.  posted,
>> the
>>>> tracking of shipments, the import forms.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005, 7:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Websphere Learning Curve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Installing Websphere on iSeries is easy. A few clicks and it's
>>>>>> installed. Creating applications to work under Websphere Application
>>>>>> Server is a different story. What is your planned use of Websphere?
>> And
>>>>>> I assume you're talking Application Server (WAS).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Websphere Learning Curve
>>>>>>> From: jns <JNS@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, June 20, 2005 9:38 am
>>>>>>> To: <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know this has been discussed, but if someone has no Websphere
>>>>>>> practical knowledge what is the learning curve like? Suppose a
>> company
>>>>>>> decides to install Websphere, what is the training needed for staff,
>> -
>>>>>>> Operators, Programmers. Is this something that is a matter of
>> following
>>>>>>> a set of instructions, say like doing an OS upgrade, 5.2 to 5.3?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>> 
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