Re: midrange modernization tour question

["trevor perry" <trevorp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It is sad really, Joe. Your anti-Microsoft bias is strong, but does not 
prove I have an anti-iSeries bias. Twisting my words and interpreting them 
in other ways does not make me anti-iSeries, either. Attempting to insert 
your anti-Microsoft bias in a thread about a seminar tour is also misguided.

Your obvious ignorance of what is happening with the MMT is apparent. That 
too, is sad, since it sometimes appears you are someone who is in favor of 
education and knowledge. Why you are so hard aligned against this tour, I am 
not sure. It is not a Microsoft tour, or ~my~ tour.. it is an iSeries 
Network tour. If you had attended, you would know what is being offered, and 
what information is being supplied. There is just as much J2EE "education" 
as there is .Net "education". Providing reasons for being against something 
when you are uneducated about it is like claiming Harry Potter is the devil 
without reading the book.

Like you, I am not in favor of migration ~from~ the iSeries. I find that a 
lot of customers work with both Windows servers and iSeries servers. I find 
a lot of customers have RPG/COBOL skills, J2EE skills and .Net skills. They 
want to know how best to integrate their applications and servers in the 
best manner while maintaining their iSeries. Seminars like the MMT are key 
events where iSeries customers can find that information. Sure, it does not 
include every solution, but as an informative and educational session, it 
meets the needs of the customers and answers many of their questions.

Just recently, I configured an i5 to run ~no~ i5/OS applications. It will 
act as a SAN for several IXS and IXA connected xSeries servers. We are using 
the power, flexibility and scalability of the i5 to run a bank of Windows 
servers and Linux partitions. This includes Microsoft in our iSeries world 
and is important to the iSeries future. If you continue to deny the reality 
of this, you will soon become the Luddite you claim you are not.

The iSeries is fortunate to have bigots like yourself. However, the platform 
will only continue to grow and realize its potential as the best server on 
the planet if we embrace the technologies that customers are using and 
provide integration and modernization capabilities. It would seem that if 
you were to understand what is capable of the (non-migration) technologies 
being offered by MAP partners, you would be a great resource to your 
customers to allow them to move into an SOA world, rather than remain 
limited by a narrow anti-something focus.

Your fellow iSeries bigot,
Trevor

----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: RE: midrange modernization tour question


> I'll only bother with this once.  Afterwards, it's just giving you mind
> space, Trevor, and since that's really just giving Bill mind space, it's
> anti-iSeries.
>
>
> > From: Trevor Perry
> >
> > Joe, your biases are truly showing, but your reply has nothing to do
> with
> > the Midrange Modernization Tour.
>
> No part of what I said was incorrect: Microsoft wishes to see the
> iSeries dead.  And the MMT is actively sponsored by Microsoft.  This is
> pretty simple stuff.
>
>
> > Whatever your opinion, J2EE and .Net are both here to stay.
>
> I never said otherwise.  Personally, I think .NET is an interesting UI
> alternative.  It is far inferior to the iSeries as a server platform.
> Few if any of your partners will say that, though.  Not Fujitsu, or
> ASNA, or Sonata, or HiT Software, or Iteration2, and certainly not
> Microsoft.
>
>
> > I think the MMT
> > is a good place to get information to understand what choices we have
> with
> > our iSeries to leverage that new world.
>
> I find the MMT to be an unlikely place to find unbiased J2EE
> information, or indeed unbiased information of any kind.
>
>
> > If you truly believe there is a push to move us away from the
> platform,
> > why would you not educate yourself on how the MAP partners can fit
> > INTO our iSeries world?
>
> As I told Walden when we spoke, as long as ASNA Monarch (or any other
> migration tool) is part of the MAP, I am entirely opposed to the
> organization.  That's about as clear as I can make it.
>
>
> > We have the best server on the planet, why are we not happy
> > that it can integrate with all the tools in our toolbox?
>
> I'm thrilled, and I think IBM has already made it clear that it embraces
> openness.  I only wish Microsoft shared that, perhaps by creating DRDA
> or native OS/400 interfaces to its products.
>
>
> > And, if you
> > understand how the MAP partners tools fit into our world, then we have
> a
> > chance to grow this platform.
>
> An organization that embraces migration tools and vendors has nothing to
> do with growing the platform.
>
>
> > Hiding behind the Java wall throwing insults will not prevent the
> world
> > from changing.
>
> "Hiding behind the Java wall throwing insults"?  Ah, here's where the
> bias lies.  I hope everybody takes a clear note of this statement.
>
> Note that it implies a number of things.  First off, it implies that I
> have somehow been insulting.  Other than my crack about pigs flying,
> nothing I said was remotely insulting.  It was just facts.  THIS
> posting, on the other hand, is a bit more caustic, primarily because
> Trevor is being obtuse and obfuscatory, and I hate that.
>
> Second, note that Trevor has conveniently avoided actually addressing a
> single fact from my previous message.  No, he talks about being "happy"
> and how I need to "educate myself".  Standard doublespeak.  Ignore the
> issues, pander platitudes, cast aspersions.
>
> The "educate myself" bit goes along with "will not prevent the world
> from changing".  Did you catch that?  He's actually calling me a
> technical Luddite! <laughing>  I.E., if you don't get on the Microsoft
> bandwagon, you're old technology!  Like, oh... RPG!  Or the iSeries!
> Yes indeed, Trevor old bean, you're definitely showing your stripes.
>
> Finally, it's clear that Java has no place in this environment.  Anybody
> who likes J2EE or WebSphere is "hiding behind the Java wall", whereas
> those who embrace .NET are "changing the world".
>
>
> Don't be fooled folks.  This is not about peaceful coexistence.  This is
> about surrounding the iSeries with a bunch of .NET, and turning it into
> a SQL engine.  Business logic will be migrated off, and once that's
> done, there's no reason to keep the box (or those pesky RPG
> programmers).
>
> And if they try to sell you the RPG .NET snake oil, please be sure to
> ask them why anybody with more than three brain cells would want to run
> RPG on anything other than the iSeries.  That's sure to get you some
> chuckles, starting with the standard "platform independence" malarky.
>
>
> Back to bed.  The baby is quiet, and so is the house.  And so is my
> conscience.  I keep thinking about that wonderful line from Lynyrd
> Skynyrd: "Watergate does not bother me.  Does your conscience bother
> you?  Tell me true!"
>
> Replace "Watergate" with "Microsoft", and you have my opinion on the
> whole thing down to a tee.  Microsoft doesn't bother me, because I don't
> have to justify it!
>
>
> Joe