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Is there any evidence to support the idea of performance issues with normalized data on the iSeries? If there is, is it the problem of the data design or the application's design? I regularly see performance problems, but in every instance the problems were design, not data. --------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.martinvt.com --------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Date: 05/03/05 18:15:37 To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Normalization was Left AS/400 and Returned I disagree strongly about not normalizing databases because of performance issues or using index files. I hear this excuse all the time. "It won't be fast enough." But the rules of databases development all say the same thing. Build the database normalized and then denormalize only if you have performance issues. In other words, don't put the cart before the horse. In my years of creating databases, I have never seen a situation where a normalized database had to be denormalized because of performance issue. In fact, the opposite is true. Normalized database perform better and that is using "Indexed" access or SQL Lets take an example. The guilty party will remain nameless. Software Company wanted to create an order master. Order Header - Ok Order Line - Lets not normalize. Lets put the comments at the same level as the order line and create a multi-format logical to join together two different types of comments and the order line and if the line number is less than the first order line it is a header comment and if the line number of the comment is between order lines lets make it line comments and then let us do all of our processing through multi-format logical. So every time you process, you process through 2 million comment records to get a few order lines instead of simply Order Header K OrderNumber Order Comments K OrderNumber K OrderCommentNumber Order Lines K OrderNumber K OrderLineNumber Order Line Comments K OrderNumber K OrderLineNumber K OrderLineCommentNumber This is simple. May require order comments header, also. But wait, this gets better. We can only support one shipment per order. Lets take the order line and split it apart into multiple lines each time we do a shipment and it gets better, we can't do multiple warehouse house location per shipment so lets split the line apart again for each warehouse location and this split is permanent at pick time. Now try to take and put this mess into a pick confirmation screen. Try code so complex, I don't think anybody knew what the hell it did. All this instead of simply normalizing the structure to: Order Line K OrderNumber K OrderLineNumber Order Shipment Detail K OrderNumber K OrderLineNumber K ShipmentNumber Order Shipment Warehouse Location K OrderNumber K OrderLineNumber K ShipmentNumber K WarehouseTransactionNumber and ShipmentMaster K Shipment Number foreign key to ShipmentNumber in Order Shipment Detail. Now you can look at shipments by order line, by shipment, whatever. So what we are saying it we want to create the mess above because it is an indexed file? I can't tell you the amount of code that was generated to deal with this mess. Into the 10 of thousands, if not hundreds at least and insanely complex code just to because no one could normalize the databases? A normalized database is always simpler to code to than an indexed or SQL. Always. If the database is done right, the database will do most of the work Just a fact of life. And, by the way, every time that I have seen a multi-format logical, it means one thing. Bad database design. There are two things that IBM should have left out of the AS/400. Multiple members and multi-format logicals. I have seen more messes created with these two things than anything else. O'Well, my two cents again. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. .
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