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For programs compiled at V5R1 and greater, it doesn't matter if observability is removed or not. Just another one of those drastic changes that have occured in the last 25 years. The program is being "re-translated" and not recompiled...this is probably an effort in semantics and hair splitting, but the two are not the same. At a high level what is happening is the same thing as Java (which came around 15-20 years after the rochester guys figured it out :-) ). When you compile Java source you get a "jar" file containing byte codes. The JVM interprets the bytecodes. In OS400 when you compile a program you get a program object (analogous to a Jar file) that contains source statements (no equivalent in a jar file), program templates (analgous to Java bytecodes), and object code ("pre-interpretted" using the Java analogy or "translated" using OS400 terminology). Prior to V5R1, when observability was removed, program templates were also removed. After V5R1 only source code info is removed. It is no easier or harder to reverse engineer program templates than it is to reverse engineer the object code so not removing the program templates doesn't put your intellectual property at any greater risk. Since the program templates always exist after V5R1, these programs will always be retranslatable and able to move to different hardware without having the source. Patrick Botz "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@techsoft To inc.com> "Midrange Systems Technical Sent by: Discussion" midrange-l-bounce <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> s@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject 11/30/2004 12:29 RE: Laymans explaination for single PM level store? Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion >in order to allow programs >to run on different hardware without re-compiling. I've always had a problem with this statement. Remove observability and how far do you get on hardware changes? Aren't you really recompiling the program under the covers. Granted, observability doesn't store the actual RPG source code (or cobol, or MI, or...) but it does store the program template from which the "real" program is created, or recreated, no? The template is in effect the real source code, and the compilers are simply translates from RPG, cobol, mi, etc. to the template. Now, I do give Frank and the others great respect for knowing enough to store the program template, and not rely on the "original" source code. But is it really fair to say you're not recompiling the code? -Walden ------------ Walden H Leverich III President & CEO Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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