Re: The age old question: - OUCH ! -- MIDRANGE-L


Booth,

sure have.  Have you looked at the actual machines being marketed?  Ever
ask yourself why those machines only?

Don in DC

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Booth Martin wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed the number of IBM ads on TV lately?  There's been
> some huge buys and some nice ads.
>
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> From: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Date: 12/22/2003 9:40:54 AM
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> Subject: The age old question: - OUCH !
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>
> Rick, I would be delighted to talk with you and your friend mentioned in
> the attached.  Please send me contact info offline.
>
> One statement:  "Since IBM has forsaken the small business market place."
> This is totally and complete false.  Hugh investments are being made this
> year and planned for next year in small, medium businesses.
>
> IBM does have sales resources selling into the small, medium business
> arena.   The small, medium businesses are the core of the iSeries customer
> base.
>
> Please let me know specifically what you need, i.e., white papers on what,
> etc.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pat Barber
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:38 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: Re: The age old question:
>
> Since IBM has forsaken the small business market place,
> I don't think there is much in the way of "white papers"
> and that sort of thing that "used" to be available.
>
> I have seen any number of papers detailing the cost and
> training required to convert from the 400 to NT. These
> were done by two or three companies hired by IBM to hammer
> on the NT solutions. (All my old links are "dead")
>
> I don't think IBM even considers an "account" anything under
> $100,000 so that makes your case very typical, another account
> bites the dust and nobody cares.
>
> Don't you wonder how many older systems left the fold simply
> cause nobody bothered to ask them to stay ???
>
> There isn't anybody even selling to the small accounts any longer.
> When IBM whacked the BP program a couple of years back, that was
> the final straw for small business accounts.
>
> This will lead to the demise of the system as we know it today.
> I think the systems will continue on, but they will only be known
> in the larger accounts. The small accounts will finally throw up
> their hands and say adios to IBM.
>
>
> rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > situation:  A friend of mine works for a small business where they've had
> > an iseries running the business for quite a while, but the owner is
> > considering converting to an NT based system (for no good reason, IMO).
> >
> > they are on V4R5 (they still use Officevision for a couple very important
> > things), and IBM won't continue to support them unless they upgrade.
> >
> > some of thier current processes need to be modernized, (credit card
> > processing via modem, OV, things like that), and they've been burned by
> > consultants in the past and are gun shy.
> >
> > the decision on conversion has been put off for a year, and they're
> looking
> > for options.   They don't want to commit to the cash to upgrade the
> > iseries, replace OV, etc, if they're going to go with the NT package.
> >
> > My friend, rightly, is trying to convince them to stick with the iseries
> -
> > The system they use now is a heavily modified rpg package, and is now
> very
> > specific to thier line of work and would be difficult to replace with any
> > package, iseries, NT or anything else.   But it is a bit unwealdy, and
> the
> > perception of course is that it's old fashioned.  She needs ammo to back
> up
> > her advice.
> >
> > I know this has been asked and answered, a thousand times, ad-nauseum,
> but
> > I've spent a while searching the archives and am not coming up with
> exactly
> > what I was looking for.
> >
> > I remember a thread or even a single post or web page that put the
> > pros-cons together succinctly on the NT vs. iseries.   anyone remember it
> > and have it bookmarked?
>
>
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