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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Joe Pluta wrote: > Anyway, I was saying that unless you take into account the actual workload, > uptime numbers are like any other statistics. As I said, based purely on Good point. However, it is not true that "a web/mail server is not exactly a tough job" - it all depends on what kind of web/mail traffic you are dealing with and how you are processing it. If you are getting the numbers of hits that my web server does then no, it not a tough job. But neither is the job that our AS/400 does (we are a small shop). You are right that what the machine is doing is important when considering reliability (after all, if it isn't doing anything then how is that different than being off?). But perhaps an even better criteria for reliability is how important a machine's function is rather than the average load. For many of my customers, the unix machine that runs their network is just as important as their iSeries. If either goes down they can't do business. The average load on the unix machine is not as high (though a direct comparison is not really possible, unix architecture is very different from OS/400 and workloads are handled very differently) but the unix machine is up more than the iSeries. Again you are right that looking at what the machine does is important when considering uptime. One reason the iSeries experiences less uptime than unix (in our case, not necessarily in general) is that it undergoes scheduled downtime for things like backups, upgrades, PTFs, etc. Most of my customers IPL their iSeries on a weekly basis to do things like clean up spooled files and recovering disk space. This isn't strictly a shortcoming of the OS, rather a decision by the customer to reboot (however, it seems stupid to me that an IPL is required to do that). PTFs require an IPL usually, whereas unix generally does not require rebooting when applying patches (except when patching the kernel itself). But the largest cause of "downtime" is backups. This isn't true downtime because the system isn't down. Rather, it is just unavailable. It can be argued successfully that unavailability and downtime are the same thing. But we won't do that here. But we do see the the job of the iSeries creates a scenario where scheduled unavailability is required for the extensive backup. Unless you are doing work that requires such extensive backups you don't have to schedule that "downtime". However it should be noted that unix includes methods of backup that do not require such large amounts of "downtime". Snapshots and last changed with hardlinks are two such methods. These allow almost instantaneous copy of large amounts of data that can then be transferred to tape without requiring locks on the objects being copied. James Rich
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