Re: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 492

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>    1. Re: WRKJOBSCDE, library lists, and user ids. (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
>    2. RE: Run command over multiple files? (Buck Calabro)
>    3. RE: Eclipse (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
>    4. RE: Refresh Question...... (Chuck Lewis)
>    5. Re: Run command over multiple files? (Steve Landess)
>    6. Re: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 479 (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
>    7. RE: Run command over multiple files? (Chevalier, Rick)
>    8. RE: Run command over multiple files? (Draper, Dale)
>    9. Re: V5R2 Programming Benefits and New Tools (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
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> message: 1
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:13:52 -0500
> from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> subject: Re: WRKJOBSCDE, library lists, and user ids.
>
> 1)  We've gotten out of the habit of using 10-Submit Immediately.  It
> often will use many of the features of your current environment.  Instead
> we'll just change the entry to a time about 30 seconds into the future.
> Don't know how many times we use 10 and it worked great only to find it
> failed when ran during the night.  Therefore 10 is not a valid test.
>
> 2)  On an addjobscde, and NOT on submit immediately, it should use the
> library list of the job description listed in the JOBD portion of
> ADDJOBSCDE.  If you find this not to be true, then there is one way to
> gain some more insurance.  Instead of putting a call directly on the
> command, have it do a SBMJOB.  Sample:
> ADDJOBSCDE JOB(RICHARD)
>            CMD(SBMJOB CMD(CALL PGM(MYPGM)) JOB(RICHARDJS)
>                JOBD(MYLIB/MYJOBD) PRTDEV(*JOBD) OUTQ(*JOBD)
>                USER(*JOBD) INLLIBL(*JOBD))
>            FRQ(*WEEKLY)
>            SCDDATE(*NONE)
>            SCDDAY(*MON)
>            SCDTIME('08:00')
> Remembering to prompt on the SBMJOB command and override numerous of the
> defaults away from *CURRENT, *USER, etc.
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
>
> "Richard B Baird" <rbaird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>         Subject:        WRKJOBSCDE, library lists, and user ids.
>
>
> hey all,
>
> I'm more than just a little perplexed with the behaviour of WRKJOBSCDE.
>
> It appears that everytime you either add, change or submit immediately a
> scheduled job, you must have your library list set so that the job will
> run
> properly.
>
> When you add an entry, it appears to use the current library list when it
> runs.
>
> When you make a change to the entry, it appears to reset the library list
> you run it under to your current library list.
>
> When it is submitted immediately, it appears to run under userid in the
> USER parameter, but whoever submitted the job gets the submit and job end
> messages.
>
> Does this sound right?  I would think that it would use the initial
> library
> list of the jobd, or the user's initial libl, or that from his jobd.  but
> not the current library list.
>
> Is there someplace I can look to verify the rules for using WRKJOBSCDE?
>
> thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> message: 2
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:35:00 -0500
> from: Buck Calabro <Buck.Calabro@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> subject: RE: Run command over multiple files?
>
> >CHGLF FILE(F0003LA) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
> >
> >Is there a different way to submit this command
> >so to change/update more than one file at a time?
>
> I use PDM for this sort of thing.  Create a user-defined option on
> WRKOBJPDM.  Limit/filter by LF attribute and use F13 to replicate your
> command to all the LFs.
>   --buck
>
> ------------------------------
>
> message: 3
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:37:47 -0500
> from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> subject: RE: Eclipse
>
> Expounding upon David's comments.  Eclipse is a development environment.
> It is not a runtime environment.  (Not to offend Jon), but it would be
> like saying "With SEU and Java can I run this application on multiple
> platforms?"  Well, you could develop Java with SEU but you wouldn't need
> SEU to run it on other computers.
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
>
> David Gibbs <david@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
>
> At 04:10 PM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
> >With Eclipse and Java can a simple application be written that displays a
> >subfile of names & addresses that are located on an iSeries and can
> display
> >a photo (stored on the IFS) of an individual selected from the subfile?
>
> Well, yes ... but that has nothing at all to do with Eclipse.  With JAVA
> you can write that application.
>
> >If yes, can that application run on Windows XP, Linux,  and Mac OS/X?
>
> Yes, that's the nature of Java.  You can even run that application on the
> 400, I think (haven't actually tried it).
>
> david
>
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> message: 4
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:19:25 -0500
> from: "Chuck Lewis" <clewis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> subject: RE: Refresh Question......
>
> WOW - Lazy is an understatement. Do they want you to roll them around in
> their chairs TOO ? :-)
>
> Have they not been trained to get rid of the messages that aren't needed,
> etc. ? I guess you have tried to instill in them the need to not "sit" on
> that screen to no avail.
>
> Bucks idea sounds like a very good one !
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Segars  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:52 AM
> To: 'midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: Refresh Question......
>
> <We have a LAZY help desk and they monitor the QSYSOPR message queue and
> they leave it on that screen all the time. When the sprit moves them, they
> press the F5 key to update the screen to see if theirs any messages out
> there that need looking at. They ask me if there was a way to
automatically
> invoke the F5 (REFRESH) key without them having to press it. I know I will
> have to create a new display screen like the WRKSYSACT one that can be set
> up to automatically update, but I was just wondering if someone knows of a
> tool that already does this without me having to recreate it?>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> message: 5
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:41:59 -0600
> from: "Steve Landess" <steve_landess@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> subject: Re: Run command over multiple files?
>
> Dale - write a Q&D CL program to make these changes...
>
> 1)  Make &LIBRARY a parameter for the program so you can run it against
each
> of your data libraries
>
> 2)  Declare file QSYS/QAFDLGL in you program
>
> 3)  DSPFD FILE(&LIBRARY/*ALL) TYPE(*ATR) OUTPUT(*OUTFILE) FILEATR(*LF)
> OUTFILE(Q
> TEMP/QAFDLGL)
>
> 4)  OVRDBF FILE(QAFDLGL) TOFILE(QTEMP/QAFDLGL)
>
> 5)  Read QAFDLGL using RCVF
>
> 6) (upon EOF (MONMSG CPF0864), end program)
>
> 7) CHGLF FILE(&LGFILE) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
>
> 8)  GOTO 5
>
> Steve Landess
> Austin, Texas
> (512) 423-0935
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Draper, Dale" <dale.draper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Run command over multiple files?
>
>
> >
> > We are running JD Edwards here and upgrading to V5R2 this weekend. One
> > problem that JDE has is performance issues related to some new values.
> Seems
> > that there can large performance hits if the logical files are not
changed
> > as shown:
> >
> > CHGLF FILE(F0003LA) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
> >
> > Well, there are at least 300 (out of 1000's) logicals that I should do
> this
> > for immediately.
> > Is there a different way to submit this command so to change/update more
> > than one file at a time? FILE(F0003*) does not work. :(
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Dale
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> message: 6
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:44:28 -0500
> from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> subject: Re: MIDRANGE-L Digest, Vol 2, Issue 479
>
> There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
>
> Whether or not using new technologies is more cost effective to you is
> often based on what you wanted, (or your comfort zone) in the first place.
>
> If you want to use the new features, then it is more cost effective,
> stable, etc.
> If you don't want to use the new features, then the old methods are more
> cost effective, stable, etc.
>
> Much as IBM is touting this new white paper out about how great the TCO of
> Linux is.  Pretty amazing that they based against some of their
> competitors but left out 400's and 390's.
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
>
> Jan Megannon <jmegannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> E Doc wrote:
>
> >You are the exception, Buck.  I would say 90-95% of the people I meet in
> >various AS/400 shops are scared of:
> >
> >C
> >C++
> >Java
> >UNIX
> >Linux
> >Perl
> >Python
> >ILE
> >Monsters under the bed
> >
> >-Doc
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> >
> >
> Doc,
>
> In some ways I agree with you and in others not. Many of those who are
> in favour of the various combinations of
> languages/platforms/environments may be  developers/tech-heads. Not to
> say that all of them are that way inclined!
>
> Many of the customers I interact with are concerned about things such as:
> Once these technologies are implemented, how easy is it to
> employ/contract a skill to support it?
> Considering the speed of change in technology, will I in 12 to 24 months
> be able to get a skill that can support the mutation of languages in
> which the solution was developed?
>
>  From a developer's perspective it is great to be able to provide
> solutions as the customers want it, with the employer providing us the
> opportunity to  employ or prove our skills within the various languages.
> These employers are getting tired of paying for our toys. They want
> solutions that provide:
> functionality,
> simplicity
> ease of use
> maintainability
> allow them to provide all of the above by employing a maximum of two
> people during the life-cycle of the app (in the case of small shops with
> in-house developers!)
>
> It can be said these companies often stay behind in terms of the
> advancement of technology, but that is a relative statement.To use an
> example (albeit a lousy one!), how many users that you know use the
> enhanced functionality within EXCEL in Office 2000 over that in Office
> 95? Does this equate to 10% Probably not. The only thing that faster
> systems has provided some customers is that they can now mess up at
> 70CPW instead of at 25 CPW!!!! Until such a time as we start providing
> them with what they want, when they want it at the cost they want it
> (which is always for free :-)  ), they will be more and more loathe to
> throw funds our way. The perception within many companies (locally, as I
> cannot vouch for you guys) is that I.T. is a Cost Centre and not a
> Profit Centre.  Once we can start providing them with solutions and not
> just solutions with constant upgrades in terms of techonology (h/w and
> s/w), they may start adopting a more positive attitude towards us!
>
> Hey, I may be wrong> What are the opinions out there?
>
> Jan.
>
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> ------------------------------
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> message: 7
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:44:41 -0600
> from: "Chevalier, Rick" <Rick.Chevalier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> subject: RE: Run command over multiple files?
>
> Is there a way to do it programmatically?
>
> Display logical files using DSPFD into an outfile.  Select the ones to
> change and then issue the CHGLF command on those.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Draper, Dale [mailto:dale.draper@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:37 AM
> To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
> Subject: Run command over multiple files?
>
>
> We are running JD Edwards here and upgrading to V5R2 this weekend. One
> problem that JDE has is performance issues related to some new values.
Seems
> that there can large performance hits if the logical files are not changed
> as shown:
>
> CHGLF FILE(F0003LA) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
>
> Well, there are at least 300 (out of 1000's) logicals that I should do
this
> for immediately.
> Is there a different way to submit this command so to change/update more
> than one file at a time? FILE(F0003*) does not work. :(
>
> TIA
>
> Dale
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> ------------------------------
>
> message: 8
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:48:26 -0800
> from: "Draper, Dale" <dale.draper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> subject: RE: Run command over multiple files?
>
> Beautiful. Thank you sir.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Landess [mailto:steve_landess@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:42 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Cc: dale.draper@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Run command over multiple files?
>
>
> Dale - write a Q&D CL program to make these changes...
>
> 1)  Make &LIBRARY a parameter for the program so you can run it against
each
> of your data libraries
>
> 2)  Declare file QSYS/QAFDLGL in you program
>
> 3)  DSPFD FILE(&LIBRARY/*ALL) TYPE(*ATR) OUTPUT(*OUTFILE) FILEATR(*LF)
> OUTFILE(Q
> TEMP/QAFDLGL)
>
> 4)  OVRDBF FILE(QAFDLGL) TOFILE(QTEMP/QAFDLGL)
>
> 5)  Read QAFDLGL using RCVF
>
> 6) (upon EOF (MONMSG CPF0864), end program)
>
> 7) CHGLF FILE(&LGFILE) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
>
> 8)  GOTO 5
>
> Steve Landess
> Austin, Texas
> (512) 423-0935
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Draper, Dale" <dale.draper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Run command over multiple files?
>
>
> >
> > We are running JD Edwards here and upgrading to V5R2 this weekend. One
> > problem that JDE has is performance issues related to some new values.
> Seems
> > that there can large performance hits if the logical files are not
changed
> > as shown:
> >
> > CHGLF FILE(F0003LA) ACCPTHSIZ(*MAX1TB)
> >
> > Well, there are at least 300 (out of 1000's) logicals that I should do
> this
> > for immediately.
> > Is there a different way to submit this command so to change/update more
> > than one file at a time? FILE(F0003*) does not work. :(
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Dale
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> message: 9
> date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:54:59 -0500
> from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> subject: Re: V5R2 Programming Benefits and New Tools
>
> I would go to both the V5R1 InfoCenter, and the V5R2 InfoCenter and read
> the area's that either interest your IT Group, or you think they should be
> interested in.  Not knowing your shop (RPG vs COBOL, etc) there are
> several manuals that have a section "How this manual has changed" or some
> such name.
>
> Now often, it has been my discovery that a little review may be necessary
> because some of the group may not be aware of anything since V2R1. Sample:
> "In the past we had the following enhancements to RPG:
> V3R2
>  ...
> V4R1
>  ...
> ...
> Now, (marching band starts playing) we've had the following great
> enhancements in V5R1 (list them) and V5R2 (list them)"
>
> I think the RPG redbook did some of this for you.
>
> Repeat for database (Yes, you may have to discuss SQL - get over it.  :-),
> CODE/400, iSeries Navigator, etc.
>
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
>
> "Peter Vidal" <Peter_Vidal@xxxxxxxx>
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>
> Hi list.  I have to prepare a brief presentation to our IT Group about the
> virtues and new tools that are part of the new operating system level.  We
> are
> on V4R5 so we have never "tasted" the good things of V5R1.  Can you guide
> me to
> good links were this information is clear and simple to understand besides
> the
> IBM pages?
>
> I have this link:
> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/announce/
>
> But I know that there should be other ways to present this information.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Peter Vidal
> Pall Aeropower Corp.
> SR Programmer Analyst
> WWW.Pall.com / 727-539-8448, x2414
>
> "A good player makes himself look good;
> a great player makes the team look good."
> Author unknown
>
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