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Sounds like the badge-maker had "issues", :-)

I find it interesting that us programmers/artists/scientists have such a 
difficult time with rules. The session I used to give at COMMON called 
"Standards - Just Lower Them!" was always controversial.

But, I am finding two things in my current GUI/UI consultant role. The more 
consistency among applications (whether CUA or not), the easier it is to deploy 
a GUI. And, the better the GUI standards and methodology, the quicker the 
implementation cycle. I have one customer who spent 3 days training, 2 days on 
deployment planning and standards development, 5 days on a pilot to 
review/approve the standards and 2 weeks building the GUI. Another customer 
spent 6 months playing around with programmer whim being the standard and 
finally called me in. It took 9 months to do what the other customer did in a 
month. I find the proof is in the application of the pudding, so to speak.

As much as I balk at standards such as SAA/CUA, in retrospect that badge was a 
little anti-productive...

Trevor
"Don't break the rules if you don't like them, ask the standards committee to 
change them..."


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Glenn Ericson
  To: trevor perry
  Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:10 PM
  Subject: Fwd: Re: Looking for manuals


  Trevor,
  I trashed them   decades ago.
  To many rules and COMMON one  year there were big button endorsements of that
  "SAA an Oxymoron"  with a blue  dinosaur and a big red no international sign.
  I got the message  no rules for me.



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    Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:00:49 -0500

    Hahaha Bruce!

    Charly, I will email you off list for details - thanks.

    I work with newlook. It refaces/GUI enables green screen applications with a
    set of rules. The shipped set of rules are based on CUA rules - for example,
    where headings are, function keys on the bottom, subfiles have a marker,
    subfile options above the headings, menu context, etc, etc..

    As you all know, CUA rules are not generally followed by green screen
    developers. I think the normal rules are:
      1) There is room on the screen, stick a field in it.
      2) There is NO room - abbreviate, now stick a field there.
    In my travels, I have only heard of ONE green screen application that
    followed CUA rules - and that was one generated with Synon2E. Even OS/400
    does not follow CUA 100 percent.

    Since most applications do not follow CUA rules, I find my customers want to
    know what the actual rules are, so they can reduce the number of customized
    rules added to newlook. The problem I have had is finding the CUA rules and
    my developers do not have their original documentation. I did a search and
    found these manuals were the ones published by IBM with the CUA rules in
    them. I got fooled and bought a book on CUA, but it turned out to be the
    rules for OS/2.

    So, there is my what-on-earth.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: R. Bruce Hoffman, Jr.
    To: midrange-l@midrange.com
    Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:27 AM
    Subject: Re: Looking for manuals


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Charly Jones" <charly301@hotmail.com>
    To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:46 PM
    Subject: Re: Looking for manuals


    > I have them.  Call me.  What on earth would _anyone_ want those manuals
    for?
    > I really can't imagine.

    Charly, remember that most of Trevor's presentations are humorous....
    <VBG>

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    R. Bruce Hoffman, Jr.
     -- IBM Certified Specialist - iSeries Administrator
     -- IBM Certified Specialist - RPG IV Developer

    "Suppose you were an idiot...
      And suppose you were a member of Congress...
      But I repeat myself."
        - Mark Twain


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