Re: Cheaper Servers? -- MIDRANGE-L

Perhaps you are not dreaming. A Laptop running OS/390 (or VM, or VSE, your
preference) is available to
developers for $14K or less. A similar product for the AS/400 could be even
less I suspect.

By the way, that is *with* the O/S and a bunch of compilers, CICS, and all
sorts of  other goodies.

-Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Sapiro (Rogers)" <robin.sapiro@rogers.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers?


> David,
>
> How about this as a survey subject.
>
> Would you buy a laptop iSeries.
> In what price range.
> What would you do with it
>
> Maybe IBM would like some overwhelming feedback on this subject (OK so I
am
> dreaming - but still an interesting survey question)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Bull" <Jeff.Bull@ITM-group.co.uk>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers?
>
>
> > ... I never mentioned Intel processors, I used the term 'laptop',
perhaps
> I
> > could have used the term 'portable'.
> >
> > At a previous employer the sales/marketing team 'lugged' a model 150
> around
> > the world (!!!) to demonstrate the business applications they had for
> sale.
> > The prospects liked to see applications running native, not over a comms
> > link.  The poor little 150 was bashed to bits many times by the airline
> > baggage handlers, even though it was reasonably protected in a custom
made
> > case.
> >
> > A portable AS/400 is what is needed.  The electronic guts of a 150/170
> style
> > system could surely be repackaged, perhaps further miniaturised, and
made
> > truly portable, e.g. carried as airline hand-baggage.  I bet the
component
> > technology already exists, the casing and marketing ... well IBM ?
> >
> > Jeff Bull
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adam Lang [mailto:aalang@rutgersinsurance.com]
> > Sent: 09 April 2002 16:25
> > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: Cheaper Servers?
> >
> >
> > Nope.  Doubt it would work.  Part of AS/400 (and Mac for that point too)
> > robustness is the fact of a limited set of hardware to support.
> >
> > If you have IBM developing OS/400 for Intel AND the millions of hardware
> > possible, it will tank.
> >
> > Adam Lang
> > Systems Engineer
> > Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company
> > http://www.rutgersinsurance.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Nolen-Parkhouse" <aparkhouse@attbi.com>
> > To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers?
> >
> >
> > > Buck,
> > >
> > > I would differentiate between an entry level server and a personal
> > > version of OS/400.  One of the reasons that IBM gives for not pushing
> > > iSeries solutions in their consulting business is that they have
> > > difficulty recruiting recent college graduates with OS/400 experience.
> > > One of the reasons many managers would not consider an iSeries is that
> > > they've never used one.  If a very-low-cost personal version of the
> > > system was available for an Intel platform, perhaps with a client
limit
> > > of one, then college students could use the system and gain the
> > > familiarity that none of them have.
> > >
> > > I can think of no other way to make OS/400 ubiquitous, given the
> > > circumstances of the marketplace.
> > >
> > > Andy Nolen-Parkhouse
> > >
> > > > John Carr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If we share the same hardware, and IBM OWNS  OS/400 and AIX
> > > > > and they are putting relatively the same R&D money into both,
> > > > >
> > > > > Should the iSeries cost the same as a pSeries  ( +/-   a few $)
??
> > > >
> > > > I briefly spoke with Dr Soltis at the recent Northeast IBM
Conference.
> > > I
> > > > asked him to put OS/400 on a laptop to distribute to universities.
He
> > > > told
> > > > me that he floated the idea and nobody was interested, including
> > > COMMON.
> > > > Apparently, if IBM can't find demand, they're disinclined to fire up
a
> > > > production line to create dumpster-filler.
> > > >
> > > > This may be an opportunity for us to tell Rochester that we're
> > > interested
> > > > in
> > > > a low-cost OS/400.
> > > >   --buck
> > >
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