Larry - appreciate the detail you provided.
However, I have had problems on new release, when there was an ipl before
the cume.
This was several releases ago, and involved hardware recognizing some
IBM had the fix in the cume (they caught it early). Since then, I have
always done
Cume (follow instructions), including ipl (and there is a warning to follow
other instructions on an lpar system)
Make sure inzsys is done
load Groups & Hiper
apply delayed *yes Groups & Hiper & ipl
same for just Cume & Groups/Hiper

not been burned since that one (early server model).
(just a general warning to others - never run in production a machine
without a Cume loaded - maybe Al Barsa or others can clarify, but it is my
understanding that the base release is frozen prior to release date & the
1st cume has fixes found in the pre-release period).
jim franz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bolhuis" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: PTF Apply

> You should consider that there are two scenarios. A) PTFs during a
> release upgrade and B) PTFs between releases. During A) the book clearly
> states that the CUMe should be done first followed by the groups (if
> any). However, I always do the HIPER group followed by an IPL. Then do
> the remaining groups in no particular order and finally the CUMe with a
> second IPL. Never failed me. I use the same sequence for scenario B)
> except no IPL between the HIPER group and the rest but there isn't
> really and IBM recommendation on those.
> I have run into problems doing the CUMe and all the groups in a single
> IPL during a release upgrade. Possibly just too many PTFs to handle? Not
> sure but since I've started doing the IPL after the HIPERs (V4R5 time
> frame) no more problems.
> My logic for the sequence is this. Suppose there are three PTFs: 1, 2,
> and 3.
> 1 is a PTF for some SLIC component and is on the CUMe
> 2 supersedes 1 and is required by some DB PTF and is on the DB Group.
> 3 supersedes 2 (and 1) and is on the HIPER group.
> Clearly loading CUMe, DB, HIPER in that order will do three LODPTF and
> three APYPTF (albeit temp type) commands.
> If HIPER is done first then PTF 1 and 2 will already be marked as
> superseded so that both the DB and CUMe loads will skip them. Saves me
> time and IMHO lessens the chance for a problem with objects being
> replaced over and over during the PTF load.
> My .02
>    - Larry
>    (OS/400 upgrade veteran with the scars to prove it!)
> Julio Domingo wrote:
> > I too have always applied the cume package first.  I have found that
> > of the individual PTF have been included in the cume or something in the
> > cume is a prerequisite.
> >
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