RE: OpsNav access to IFS (was RE: Transfer file using Ops Navigator? ) -- MIDRANGE-L

We have to agree to disagree on this one...

I'm not opposed to Ops Nav.

I'm vehemently opposed to needing to go to a third party, for tools IBM
(IMV) SHOULD supply.  (I hope Simon Coulter can make some decent scratch on
IBM's (IMV) blunder, but...)

You say they use the command line, themselves...?  How does that sit with
the notion that more and more functionality is provided ONLY through Ops
Nav...?!?  How do they come to these decisions, then...?  That there are
certain cases where a GUI is the ONLY WAY TO GO...?

Now, if Simon Coulter finds a market...:  That would be proof-positive that
these decisions are bogus...  Wonder if he's reached break-even yet...

jt


| -----Original Message-----
| From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
| [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rob@dekko.com
| Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:51 AM
| To: midrange-l@midrange.com
| Subject: RE: OpsNav access to IFS (was RE: Transfer file using Ops
| Navigator? )
|
|
|
| Yes the op's nav team is familiar with the command line.  I've been to
| Rochester.  Quite interesting to see a technician come in to the center to
| help me out with an issue I discovered in Op's Nav type in a call
| to an api
| passing it several hexadecimal values because the command line was faster.
|
| But I think that we are barking up the wrong tree to keep harping on this.
| Someone on this list is peddling tools to give some of the Op's Nav stuff
| to dinosaurs.  If you fit in that category - spend your money there.
|
| I think everyone would be better served by using Op's Nav extensively and
| pointing out, in detail, areas of improvement.  The general "It sucks -
| give me green screen" goes nowhere.
|
| Rob Berendt
|
| ==================
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| safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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|
|                     "jt" <jt@ee.net>
|                     Sent by:                  To:
| <midrange-l@midrange.com>
|                     midrange-l-admin@mi       cc:
|                     drange.com                Fax to:
|                                               Subject:     RE:
| OpsNav access to IFS (was RE: Transfer file using Ops
|                                                Navigator? )
|                     12/13/2001 08:18 AM
|                     Please respond to
|                     midrange-l
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Tom,
|
| I stand corrected.  As I said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with Ops Nav.
|
| I'm in favor of a small memory footprint, also.  But from what
| I'm hearing,
| Netserver isn't quite up to speed, according to what Scott Klement reports
| is available on *nix.  So I dunno about only allowing edit
| through a share,
| from a performance POV, although it sounds good from a security POV.
|
|
| I stand by the rest of my comments...  We're being told:  "it's my way, or
| the highway".  Ops Nav is as slow as a pig stuck in mud, but functionality
| is being put in Ops Nav that you can't get to any other way.  (Just like
| functionality going into SQL, but not DDS.)  This is bull-hocky.  We're
| being told "it's too expensive to do it any other way".  Ya, right...  I
| code programs...  Sure wish *I* had the option of telling my user's that
| kind of crap...
|
| Here's the litmus test...  Does the Ops Nav team EXCLUSIVELY use
| Ops Nav to
| do all their day-to-day work...?!?  If the answer is "yes", then:
|
| Their liars...  or more likely...
| They don't actually manage the systems they work on
| and/or
| They're not familiar enough with Command Entry
|
|
| I'll get more familiar with Ops Nav...
|
| Will the Ops Nav team get more familiar with how I use a 400?  Will they
| get
| more familiar with CL commands, so get off their "trip" that Ops Nav (or
| any
| GUI!) is the best way to do ALL things...?!?
|
| (BTW, I don't need a recommendation to help out by signing up to
| assist the
| UCD...  Been there, done that...  Never even got so much as a form e-mail,
| thanking me for taking the time...  ***I don't have THAT kinda time to
| waste, BTW.***)
|
|
| Thanks for your views.
|
| jt
|
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
| | [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of thomas@inorbit.com
| | Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:30 PM
| | To: midrange-l@midrange.com
| | Subject: OpsNav access to IFS (was RE: Transfer file using Ops
| | Navigator? )
| |
| |
| | Mike:
| |
| | On Wed, 12 December 2001, "Smith, Mike" wrote:
| |
| | > ok, i'll concede that, cause i wasn't aware of that, but i'm
| | lazy and don't
| | > wanna have to install netserver.
| | > if i can see that it is there through ops nav then LET ME OPEN
| | IT. i want to
| | > have my cake and eat it to.
| |
| | I don't quite understand "install netserver". There's nothing to
| | "install" unless you mean any necessary host-server options of
| | OS/400 or the networking service on the PC. Of course, if you
| | have never installed the host side of things nor PC networking,
| | you ain't gonna be pulling anything down to PCs anyway.
| |
| | As for opening through OpsNav directly... I can edit it now
| | (using OpsNav 5.1 at least) by selecting RMB-<Edit>. However, I'm
| | not sure that should be allowed. My personal feeling is that it
| | should _only_ be allowed through a defined share (mapped drive).
| | I'd rather have OpsNav have as small a footprint as possible; and
| | since I can map a drive through OpsNav and since I can do
| | anything else needed through the mapped drive without executing
| | OpsNav in the future, I'd prefer not having OpsNav include the
| | support that my Windows desktop already has. Further, I might
| | have a more centralized control of authorities if I can rely more
| | on share permissions. And if I haven't created a share, it's a
| | public way to demonstrate that objects in that directory
| | shouldn't be accessed directly from a client.
| |
| | Tom Liotta
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