Re: Counting users -- MIDRANGE-L

Hi Alan,

The advantage to multiple sessions is not the impossible ability to use them
both simultaneously, but to quickly switch from one task to another without
having to exit whatever you were doing and lose your place.

For example, while editing a program I can switch to another session, look
at a file structure with WRKDBF, then go back to editing by pressing
alt-tab. If I had only one session, I would have to press F21 to get a
command line, start WRKDBF, look at the structure, memorize the relevant
part (or write it down), exit WRKDBF, and exit the command line to get back
to editing.

It's a whole lot easier to demonstrate than to explain. If you have multiple
userid's perhaps you could try it in your environment.

Regards,
Peter Dow
Dow Software Services, Inc.
909 425-0194 voice
909 425-0196 fax



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From: "alan shore" <SHOREA@dime.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Counting users


> Yes, I am a programmer/analyst (or whatever the buzz word is today).
> Working for a savings and loan, we  are ruled by an outside governing
body, who declares, for any and every type of platform....
> One signon, one session.
> No arguments, no discussion, and as we rely on passing their audit, guess
which track we follow.
>
> My next question follows on from there,
> Surely with a user signed on more than once (and that user can only work
on one session at a time (please read this last statement carefully--- no
matter how good you are, nobody [to my knowledge] can type into 2 separate
windows coherently at once) the system is somewhat degraded with multiple
interactive sessions.
>
> >>> <MWalter@hanoverwire.com> 07/31/01 03:00PM >>>
>
> Alan,
>
> Are you a programmer? Before PCs and CODE/400, I would have a session for
> CL,RPG,DDS source and still another session with a command entry.  Just
one
> example.
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Walter
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc.
> mwalter@hanoverwire.com
> http://www.hanoverwire.com
> 717.637.3795 Ext.3040
>
>
>
>                     "alan shore"
>                     <SHOREA@dime.com>          To:
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>                     Sent by:                   cc:
>                     owner-midrange-l@mi        Subject:     Re: Counting
users
>                     drange.com
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>                     07/31/01 02:17 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     MIDRANGE-L
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> I'm sorry, but I have to start asking questions. I was hoping that it
would
> become much clearer once the answers started to appear, but that has'nt
> happened.
>
> Why has a User Profile the ability to sign onto the system more than once?
> Surely, the user can only work on one session at a time. If so, why not
> limit the number of sessions to 1 per User. What advantage would there be
> to having more than 1 session per user?
>
>
>
> >>> <rob@dekko.com> 07/31/01 01:02PM >>>
>
> Have you thought about polling your customer base and see how many are
> actually using dumb 5250 terminals?  You may retrieve many answers:
> 1)  Yes, but only 1 or two at our site, they are expendable
> 2)  No
> 3)  Yes, but please stop supporting them.  Therefore we can finally
> convince management to dump them for PC's.
> 4)  Yes, and so many it would be a serious financial burden on us to
> change.
> 5)  I am using one here, (amidst dozens of PC's) and I'll whine and stomp
> my feet if you stop supporting it.
> I have heard of option 3.  One vendor was talking about doing a minimum
> supported version of OS, and that is what they got.
> Anything other than 4 I wouldn't use as a reason to keep supporting them.
> Heck your licensing issue may be a financial incentive for them to upgrade
> the dumb terminal to a PC.
>
> Please, let's not start the argument for dumb:
>   training
>   concentration of work effort vs games
>   reliability
>   dirty environments
> I am trying to help him help his customers
>
> Ron,
>
> Perhaps you should also check out the 'key' api's and see if you can use
> that technique.  ADDLICKEY and how to check.  This might be a good start:
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/html/as400/v5r1/ic2924/info/apis/sw1.htm
>
> Rob Berendt
>
> ==================
> A smart person learns from their mistakes,
> but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.
>
>
>
>                     Ron@cpumms.com
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>                     Sent by:                   To:
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>                     owner-midrange-l@mi        cc:
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>                     drange.com                 Subject:     Re: Counting
> users
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>                     07/31/2001 10:29 AM
>
>                     Please respond to
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>                     MIDRANGE-L
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> Leif,
>
> <<Did you ever tell us the REASON for wanting this?
>
> I don't think I ever stated it directly, but a couple of people on the
list
> (Al Mac? and Rob) did state it.
>
> We have license agreements to use our software and as part of that we
count
> the number of users using the software. This works fine, but our customers
> want to be able to sign onto multiple sessions on the same terminal and
not
> be counted more than once.  If they're using "dumb" terminals to
accomplish
> this, I don't know how to tell the difference between a user signing onto
a
> single terminal 5 times and a user signing onto 5 terminals.
>
> Ron Hawkins
>
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