Re: Free OS/400 -- MIDRANGE-L

Jim, I have to take issue!
    Just because the TCP/IP stack originated in the '60s doesn't mean that
there was an http protocol to go along with it! In the 80s there was still a
lot of other protocols that were supposed to be "standard' on the desktop,
NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, ODI.

    Remember that when IBM has not yet implemented a protocol/service, half
of the community is complaining they are "missing out on industry standards"
and once they implement it the other half is complaining IBM wants them to
jump on the bandwagon of "the flavor of the month."

    Now, when exactly would you say TCP/IP really became an "industry
standard?" Okay, be honest, are you using hindsight or did you really know
it was the industry standard back then? When did ASCII become the industry
standard? How come, when ASCII became the industry standard there was still
more data stored in EBCDIC than in ASCII?
Chris Rehm
javadisciple@earthlink.net
If you believe that the best technology wins the
marketplace, you haven't been paying attention.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Free OS/400


> Chris - I think the IP standard, beginning in the 60's, and enhanced thru
> industry groups, of which IBM was a major player, is not to be
> considered "something new". We were years behind in getting
> http server, dns, vpn, etc. When we did get it, it was good. But then
> the rest of the world moved ahead.  When email was beginning to be
> a hot item, Rochester told us (at Common) we would have the most
> versatile mail server in the world with MSF. Never happened. I love
> this box, and for all it's shortcomings, think it is still the better
> business
> server.
> jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Rehm" <javadisciple@earthlink.net>
> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Free OS/400
>
>
> > Okay, here is another small rant from Chris.
> >
> > Please don't complain about Rochester "missing the boat" on standards.
It
> > isn't quite the case. Why not complain about them using EBCDIC instead
of
> > ASCII? Because, of course, when Rochester did it, that was the standard,
> in
> > the world for which the technology was intended. My personal feeling is
> that
> > Rochester has done an incredible job of walking the line between
> > implementing all the new standard technologies as the market comes up
with
> > them, and providing the same bulletproof, green screen manageable system
> > their customers are familiar with.
> >
> > It is tough enough to just keep track of the "standards" that come and
go
> in
> > our industry. And we don't have to design hardware or software around
> them.
> > Keep in mind the level of testing and reliability you require from
> Rochester
> > the next time you expect some new feature to be rolled into the base
> > operating system before the ink is dry on the standard.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
> > To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 6:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Free OS/400
> >
> > > Rochester missed the boat years ago by not buying into non-proprietary
> > > standards.
> > > They put some IP features in way back in V2 or late V1, and then
always
> > > stayed
> > > behind the market. What we needed is the reliability & quality, that
can
> > > talk/interact
> > > with everything else. With V5R1, in the year 2001, we got closer.
> > > btw-comment from earlier posts-the as/400-iSeries is and has been a
> > > graphical machine
> > > for many years. We, the customers are the one's who chose not to use
the
> > > tools to
> > > do it. Just because we have a command line interface still running
> (which
> > > your users
> > > should NEVER see) a variety of Visual tools, ibm & others, have been
> > around
> > > for years.
> > > IBM even made a Visual rpg tool. But we kept resisting, "well it's not
> > like
> > > subfiles".
> > > Would you say the same about every Unix box, that it's not graphical?
> > > jim
> > >
> >
> > Chris Rehm
> > javadisciple@earthlink.net
> > If you believe that the best technology wins the
> > marketplace, you haven't been paying attention.
> >
> >
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