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Œ Hello Howard, You wrote: >Speaking of OS/2, have you noticed that it is still available? It has not >changed much for several years but since it is not off of the radar, I >believe Phoenix might have yet another chance to rise from the ashes! IBM are unlikely to push OS/2. Unless customer's start asking for it IBM will let it die. IBM will happily sell you copies of the current server, OS/2 Warp Server for eBusiness (released in December 2000 -- not bad for a dead OS!!) and copies of the current desktop, OS/2 Warp 4.0. One problem is that OS/2 Warp (desktop) will not install out-of-the-box on modern hardware because it can't handle large hard drives. So you must download newer drivers from IBM, copy them on to the installation disk, and then install. Most people can't be bothered so they suffer a shoddy, not quite good enough, excuse for an OS from the evil empire. IBM are currently selling Convenience Packs whcih are a subscription offering. If you subscribe they will send you an updated version of the server or client with current fixpacks applied and new updates. That takes the desktop to version 4.5. I bet no one on this list even knew there is a new version of the Warp client! IBM have been adding support over the last few years for removable drives (Zip, Jazz, etc.), support for USB, support for new printers (even low-end stuff like Epson, Canon, and HP inkjets). Sitec have been creating a unified OS/2 Display Driver with support for almost every available video card -- IBM even licensed it from them. You do need to carefully choose the hardware you intend to run OS/2 on because some items don't have drivers (but NT and W2K have that problem too). What you can't easily get is OS/2 support from IBM. IBM still provide fix-packs (read PTFs) free of charge but they will probably become chargeable as the OS/2 market dwindles. Telephone support is chargeable (just like it is with Windoze). What you can't get in many countries (Asutralia being one of them) is an IBMer who actually knows anything about OS/2 and unless you keep pushing you are likely to give up after your first call to IBM. However, many customers still use OS/2, even on the desktop (we are one of them -- we have no BUSINESS need for any MS software). There is a US company called Serenity Systems who are about to release two products. eComServer and eComStation which can be considered the follow-on products to OS/2. If those of you who are seeking an alternative were prepared to put your money where your mouth is and purchase copies of these products when they are released that would go a long way to providing a market that might be comparable in size to the Mac market. Software vendors make quite a bit of money providing software for Apple systems. There is no reason they can't make money from an OS/2 market either (except for MS and their draconian licensing agreements) if unhappy MS customers would vote with their feet. There are alternatives out there ... you simply have to be willing to look for them! Regards, Simon Coulter. «»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«» «» FlyByNight Software AS/400 Technical Specialists «» «» Eclipse the competition - run your business on an IBM AS/400. «» «» «» «» Phone: +61 3 9419 0175 Mobile: +61 0411 091 400 /"\ «» «» Fax: +61 3 9419 0175 mailto: shc@flybynight.com.au \ / «» «» X «» «» ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML E-Mail / \ «» «»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«»«» +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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