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Is there a way to prevent a BSC *LIND from going into RCYCNL? Or, should I say, is it possible to configure the line so that if it goes into RCYCNL that it can be automatically varied off? I'm a communications novice so I may not have provided enough detail to get a usable reply. What I'm trying to accomplish is to determine if I can change the configuration on a BSC line so that if it were to go to RCYCNL, I'd prefer it to simply vary itself off. -----Original Message----- From: owner-midrange-l-digest@midrange.com [mailto:owner-midrange-l-digest@midrange.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:35 PM To: midrange-l-digest@midrange.com Subject: MIDRANGE-L Digest V4 #529 MIDRANGE-L Digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 04 : Number 529 This is the Midrange System Digest Mailing List! To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-DIGEST-SUB@midrange.com. To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-DIGEST-UNSUB@midrange.com. Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com *** DO NOT QUOTE THIS ENTIRE DIGEST WHEN REPLYING *** Topics covered in this issue... API -> Commands RE: AS400 V4R4 File Sizes Needed, Please Help... Re: IBM SupportLine Re: V4R5 Microsoft Access RE: API -> Commands Re: API -> Commands RE: API -> Commands RE: MIDRANGE-L Digest V4 #528 RE: How make CA window active? backups on AS/400, objects missing Re: IBM SupportLine RE: backups on AS/400; part2 RE: backups on AS/400; part2 Re: API -> Commands RE: API -> Commands ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:18:44 -0400 From: jpcarr@tredegar.com Subject: API -> Commands Greetings all. Question: What would your list of the top 10 API's that you wish IBM would have a command to do? If possible: Keep it to 10, and Please state the API name if you know it. Maybe we can get some results here. John Carr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:25:04 -0400 From: "Joe Giusto \(E-mail\)" <juicenetdps@crosswinds.net> Subject: RE: AS400 V4R4 File Sizes Needed, Please Help... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0E51E.1CDE8AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DSPOBJD OBJ(LIBRARYNAME/*ALL) OBJTYPE(*FILE) OUTPUT(*PRINT) Sorry about the HTML message, but it is automatic when replying to an HTML sent message and I do not know how to turn it off. Joe Giusto II Programmer/Analyst Ritz Camera Beltsville, MD 301-419-3209 x347 410-813-2812 x347 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Forwiw@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:50 PM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: AS400 V4R4 File Sizes Needed, Please Help... Hello All, Is there a way to list all the files and file sizes in a given library? I tried the DSPFD with *outfile but the file size is not available. The reason I need this is I would like to know, in descending order, what files are taking up the most room in our production library. Then I can determine what needs to get done with these files, purge, etc. We are running BPCS version 6.01.01 Mixed Mode. Any help, will be greatly appreciated. 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color:black'><span style=3D"mso-spacerun: = yes"> </span></span></font><font color=3Dblack face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic = Sans MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Joe Giusto II</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Programmer/Analyst</span></font><f= ont color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ritz Camera</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Beltsville, MD</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>301-419-3209 = x347</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New = Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>410-813-2812 = x347</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><!--[if supportFields]><span = class=3DEmailStyle15><font=20 size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span = style=3D'mso-element:field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><= span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> owner-midrange-l@midrange.com = [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Forwiw@aol.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 24, = 2001 6:50 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> = MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> AS400 V4R4 File = Sizes Needed, Please Help...</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br> <br> Hello All, <br> <br> I= s there a way to list all the files and file sizes in a given <br> library? <br> <br> I= tried the DSPFD with *outfile but the file size is not <br> available. <br> <br> T= he reason I need this is I would like to know, in descending <br> order, <br> w= hat files are taking up the most room in our production <br> library. Then <br> I= can determine what needs to get done with these files, purge, <br> etc. <br> <br> W= e are running BPCS version 6.01.01 Mixed Mode. <br> <br> A= ny help, will be greatly appreciated. <br> <br> S= S <br> I= n BPCS Land <br> <br> <br> <= /span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> </div> </body> </html> - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0E51E.1CDE8AA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:24:00 -0400 From: D.BALE@handleman.com Subject: Re: IBM SupportLine Hear, hear! Great idea, Rob! How about it, David? What would be a good structure for the survey? Easiest would be to ask: "Do you have a SupportLine contract?" Y/N But these would also be informative: "If you have a SupportLine contract, is it 24x7 or 8x5?" "If you have a SupportLine contract, is it an hourly or a long-term contract?" "Regardless of whether you have a SupportLine contract or not, how important do you feel a SupportLine contract is to the continued successful operation of your AS/400(s)?" _ Would rather jump out of an airplane without a parachute into a pit of rattlesnakes before I'd go without a SupportLine contract _ Somewhat important _ wishy-washy or have no idea _ Not important _ Money down the drain. - - Dan Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!" IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 D.Bale@Handleman.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) - -------------------------- Original Message -------------------------- Gee, does midrange-l do surveys anymore? Rob Berendt ================== A smart person learns from their mistakes, but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes. D.BALE@handleman.com To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: IBM SupportLine I'd be curious to know the mix of the MIDRANGE-L population that has an IBM SupportLine contract. In the past, this was always a given in any shop I've worked in but, for reasons unknown to me, we supposedly have only one SupportLine contract for one of our boxes. Given the fact that we're mostly on V3R7 around here, we may not even have a SupportLine contract anymore. In the past, I considered SupportLine as an absolute necessity before embarking on any OS upgrade. I may have treated cume PTFs in the same manner, although my memory is fuzzy on that. I also seem to recall that, at one time, if you had SupportLine you also had IBM hardware service, and vice versa, but I know that's not the case now. I see that IBM is offering a rebate for new SupportLine accounts and thought I'd better poll the collective mindset here before I go asking management to cough up the bucks for SupportLine, especially before we get going on our upgrades. Are there any viable alternatives to SupportLine? - - Dan Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!" IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 D.Bale@Handleman.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:28:43 -0400 From: MWalter@hanoverwire.com Subject: Re: V4R5 Microsoft Access Debbie, Be sure that you loaded and applied the most current database PTF's Mark Mark Walter Sr. Programmer/Analyst Hanover Wire Cloth a div of CCX, Inc. mwalter@hanoverwire.com http://www.hanoverwire.com 717.637.3795 Ext.3040 Debbie Helms <DHelms@Lance.com> To: "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> Sent by: cc: owner-midrange-l@mi Subject: V4R5 Microsoft Access drange.com 05/25/01 11:57 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L May 5th I installed V4R5 on a S30. Today we are having issues with Microsoft Access...and logical files. I probably don't know enough about the problem to explain it. They are telling me that a job that once ran in 30 minutes won't finish in 4 hours now. Any and I mean any help will be appreciated. +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:46:40 -0700 From: "York, Albert" <albert.york@nissan-usa.com> Subject: RE: API -> Commands I don't know if there is an API, but a command that I would like is ADDJOBLE so that you can specify a reply list entry that would only apply to the job it's executed from. Albert York -----Original Message----- From: jpcarr@tredegar.com [SMTP:jpcarr@tredegar.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:19 AM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: API -> Commands Greetings all. Question: What would your list of the top 10 API's that you wish IBM would have a command to do? If possible: Keep it to 10, and Please state the API name if you know it. Maybe we can get some results here. John Carr +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:56:36 -0400 From: "M. Lazarus" <mlazarus@ttec.com> Subject: Re: API -> Commands John, At 5/25/01 01:18 PM -0400, you wrote: >Question: What would your list of the top 10 API's that you wish IBM >would have a command to do? All the user space, user index and data queue APIs. That would greatly aid in testing, and maybe some simple production programs. -mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:07:20 -0500 From: David Gibbs <dgibbs@mks.com> Subject: RE: API -> Commands This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E545.8AA7E23A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Question: What would your list of the top 10 API's that > you wish IBM > would have a command to do? > > If possible: Keep it to 10, and Please state the API name > if you know > it. I'd like to see the all user space and data queue API's made into commands ... Especially the DSP set (DSPUSRSPC, DSPDTAQ, etc). david - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E545.8AA7E23A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: API -> Commands</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Question: What would your list = of the top 10 API's that </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you wish IBM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> would have a command to do?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> If possible: Keep it to = 10, and Please state the API name </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> if you know</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> it.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd like to see the all user space and data queue = API's made into commands ... Especially the DSP set (DSPUSRSPC, = DSPDTAQ, etc).</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>david</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E545.8AA7E23A-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:12:31 -0400 From: "Urbanek, Marty" <Marty_Urbanek@stercomm.com> Subject: RE: MIDRANGE-L Digest V4 #528 RUNRMTCMD would save you the trouble of having to write the client and server pieces because you would be using the ones you already bought from IBM. The server is built in to Client Access. - -Marty - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:11:44 -0500 From: Dimitri Efimov <defimov@wiese.com.pe> Subject: RE: How make CA window active? Great! I'm on the way to implement it Tnaks a lot, Dmitri Efimov - - -----Mensaje original----- De: Hatzenbeler, Tim [mailto:thatzenbeler@clinitech.net] Enviado el: Viernes, 25 de Mayo de 2001 11:46 a.m. Para: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com' Asunto: RE: How make CA window active? this is one possible solution... But it requires a little programming... In your application, retrieve the ip address of the client access session. write a pc, app, that stays hidden, and cannot be ended, have it it loaded on startup, that will listen on a port (small socket server).... and when data comes in on that port, open a window, or run through the current windows open and set the client access window to the forground... or give it the on top value :-) and then to complete the process write a socket client on the as/400 to send your message to the users ip address along with the message or command... just a thought.... But it will only work if you can retrieve the users ip address... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:14:37 -0400 From: "Urbanek, Marty" <Marty_Urbanek@stercomm.com> Subject: RE: How make CA window active? RUNRMTCMD would save you the trouble of having to write the client and server pieces because you would be using the ones you already bought from IBM. The server is built in to Client Access. - -Marty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:24:11 -0400 From: Schmuel <schmuel@bigfoot.com> Subject: backups on AS/400, objects missing Hi Midrange Thanks Al.. I am keeping the whole message on forum for now as others may appreciate also your expertise... Realize some of this is kindergarten stuff so I appreciate your time, though some of the issues are obviously real significant.. ><snip> You should run SAVSECDTA and SAVCFG every day. Understood, our system user or config change rarely, so unless it is on the same tape as the save, we will probably do this once a week... if we put it before or after the SAVLIB on the daily tape, we would do it daily... >Every tape should be initialized uniquely. They way you can use PRTERRLOG >*VOLSTAT to determine when tapes are going bad. If you would like to see >an example of this, send me a private e-mail, and I will send you a copy of >my presentation "ABC's of AS/400 System Management", which shows this. Great.. Please do.. Thanks.. (I will email you this part separately so you can hit reply) I gather you have it available on email .txt .doc or .pdf May business addy for your records is (yes I don't mind other AS/400 mailings :-) Steven Spencer 342 East Jericho Tpke PMB 153 Mineola, NY 11501 >There is a tool on TAA Tools to calculate an expiration date. It's called >ADDDAT. k.. but if I am not so worried about expiration dates, could I just put in say a no expiration parameter meaning TODAY ..basically we have a small shop without any tape confusion so I just want to be sure the Initialization and Save run without any tape msg intervention The command for that would be.. ? :-) > 3) I set up the following > SAVLIB LIB(*NONSYS) > DEV (TAP01) > SAVACT (*SYSDFN) > ACCPTH (*NO) > OMITLIB (couple of unimportant libs here) > OUTPUT (*OUTFILE) > OUTFILE (QS36F/(filename)) > OUTMBR(*FIRST *ADD) > INFTYPE(*ERR) >I thought the SAVACT would allow an immediate save in shared mode > (tho I wasn't sure whether to use *SYSDFN or *SYNCLIB or *LIB) > but I immediately got a "Not all subsystems ended" response... <snip> >A few issues here. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO SAVE-WHILE-ACTIVE IF YOU DON'T >KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. This can be a very dangerous function. You can >run a function with SWA, get a bad save, and it will never tell you! You >need to understand the theory of quiescence, and this is not OS/400 101. Ahh.. well my compatriot recommended it as a solution, after some objects weren't saved including an important QS36F file .. still don't really know why... since the one who checks said nobody was in any user programs (we do have a domino-network-client access setup that stays up basically 24/7 but the office is empty and screens are at menus... hmmm maybe there was an evoked job with a msg that the lady missed, that is the only sensible thought and it might match up with the files that didn't save .. you see that is my concern eg... if a program is sitting with a msg in the user area and the program uses a couple of data files, I still want those files saved.. yes ideally that shouldn't be.. :-) >I have a presentation that I do, and a magazine article, and I would be >happy to forward that you anyone interested. Again, please send me private >mail. Done... Thanks.. Maybe that will answer my questions :-) >Secondly, SWA does not support *NONSYS. Ahh. .interesting.. if I switch to *ALLUSR plus separately *IBM is it supported ? (yes, I know you mentioned the danger, however there will definitely be 0 activity when this is running and first I just want to get a save to run and see the results) basically first I am wondering why ANY of these would give the subsystem msg I got.... >Lastly, ALWAYS change the default from ACCPTH (access path) from *NO to >*YES. It can mean the difference of DAYS of restore time. (I believe the >world's record occurred at one of my accounts of 11 days!) Will do.. :-) >PS: Happy Memorial Day Weekend to everyone. Thanks, and Shavout for those who tend toward scriptural days.. Thanks Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:11:04 -0400 From: "M. Lazarus" <mlazarus@ttec.com> Subject: Re: IBM SupportLine At 5/25/01 01:24 PM -0400, you wrote: >Easiest would be to ask: "Do you have a SupportLine contract?" Y/N A little more involved, but maybe a few text boxes to ask: "What do you like most / least about IBM Support?" "If you are not a SupportLine customer, what would IBM need to do to embrace you into the fold?" "Do you think it's: Too expensive, decent value, prohibitive, stratospheric?" "Does the current structure of available services meet your needs? If not, what changes would you like to see?" "Have you ever received a correct invoice from IBM?" (OK, that one is not really relevant to SupportLine, but it's a pet peeve...) -mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:42:50 -0500 From: "Mark A. Manske" <mmanske@minter-weisman.com> Subject: RE: backups on AS/400; part2 I understand too the frustration, here at least we do have a work around, from the system console we run an interactive C/L, prompt screen to enter the start time for shutting down and doing the save, then a IPL (still have not convinced anyone that it is not necessary to do weekly...that aside) and works great with no one here (unless of a power outage) This works here because we are the last to leave the building on Friday nights and lock up the whole place, not just the computer room - no real security issue here, but food for thought until IBM sees fit to make our lives easier (oh wait I'm sorry, we are in the computer industry, our lives are complicated to make everyone else's job easier... forgive me ;) just my 2cents - -----Original Message----- From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of D.BALE@handleman.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:13 PM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: backups on AS/400; part2 Al, maybe you've been around the block way too many times to count on this issue, but what's your take on the fact that a SAVE 21 type of save, one requiring a dedicated system with all subsystems ended, must be run interactively from the system console? I find it ridiculous that, after all these years, IBM still has not given us a solution to this gaping hole. Do others feel that way? Most shops I know of can only do a dedicated system backup (which, IMHO, is the only sane way to do a backup; your comments on SWA considered) off hours in the middle of the night, and the only way I've been able to figure out how to accomplish this is to sign on to the console prior to leaving for the day and start the backup application that waits until late at night to start the ENDSBS *ALL and run the backup. Most AS/400 shops aren't big enough to be able to justify the expense of a night operator. The so-called way to secure this is to lock the console using the key on the display. It would seem to be a no-brainer (well, consider who's talking here, o.k.?) to allow a batch job to run from the controlling subsystem in a restricted state. But what do I know? I have taken a renewed interest in this pet peeve of mine, considering my new responsibilities. - - Dan Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!" IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 D.Bale@Handleman.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:50:03 -0500 From: Jim Damato <jdamato@dollargeneral.com> Subject: RE: backups on AS/400; part2 As a seasoned AS/400 bigot who has recently been asked to manage Unix systems I find myself on the fence on these issues. It drives me crazy that every time we change a drive in our HP tape library my Unix Administrator has to drop everything and reconfigure the backups. The layered software for configuring backups requires that we do it at the correct moment in time - -- it's not even possible to rewrite the backup in anticipation of changes. And don't even talk to me about degree of training necessary to set up a good Oracle backup. On the other hand it's starting to surprise me how much we expect OS/400 to do for us. GO SAVE option 21 is just a CL program. AS/400 documentation provides a nice poster explaining the different levels of backups, and the SAV* commands allow you to design backups from a conceptual (or object based) point of view rather than chasing down disks, volumes, and directories. I don't think you have to be a certified AS/400 Sys Admin to design an effective backup. My relatively untrained AS/400-VMS Admin came up with a good CL to save data libraries, including SAVACT in pretty short order. Maybe I'm biased because I've always worked in very large shops. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect customers to live within the constraints of the canned options or write their own customizations. The menu options on the AS/400 evolved from next to nothing over the past decade or so. I always looked at them as "serving suggestions". Or maybe I'm just cranky because it's been a long week. James Damato Manager - Technical Administration Dollar General Corporation <mailto:jdamato@dollargeneral.com> - -----Original Message----- From: D.BALE@handleman.com [mailto:D.BALE@handleman.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:13 PM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: backups on AS/400; part2 Al, maybe you've been around the block way too many times to count on this issue, but what's your take on the fact that a SAVE 21 type of save, one requiring a dedicated system with all subsystems ended, must be run interactively from the system console? I find it ridiculous that, after all these years, IBM still has not given us a solution to this gaping hole. Do others feel that way? Most shops I know of can only do a dedicated system backup (which, IMHO, is the only sane way to do a backup; your comments on SWA considered) off hours in the middle of the night, and the only way I've been able to figure out how to accomplish this is to sign on to the console prior to leaving for the day and start the backup application that waits until late at night to start the ENDSBS *ALL and run the backup. Most AS/400 shops aren't big enough to be able to justify the expense of a night operator. The so-called way to secure this is to lock the console using the key on the display. It would seem to be a no-brainer (well, consider who's talking here, o.k.?) to allow a batch job to run from the controlling subsystem in a restricted state. But what do I know? I have taken a renewed interest in this pet peeve of mine, considering my new responsibilities. - - Dan Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!" IT - AS/400 Handleman Company 248-362-4400 Ext. 4952 D.Bale@Handleman.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:02:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Klement <klemscot@klements.com> Subject: Re: API -> Commands If there's already an API that does it, how hard would it be to write your own command?! Doesn't seem like a very tough job. On Fri, 25 May 2001 jpcarr@tredegar.com wrote: > > Greetings all. > > Question: What would your list of the top 10 API's that you wish IBM > would have a command to do? > > If possible: Keep it to 10, and Please state the API name if you know > it. > > Maybe we can get some results here. > > John Carr > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:33:09 -0700 From: "ron hawkins" <hwarangron@home.com> Subject: RE: API -> Commands <<If there's already an API that does it, how hard would it be to write <<your own command?! <<Doesn't seem like a very tough job. Exactly! Doesn't seem like IBM should be wasting any time writing commands that we can easily write ourselves. A better question might be "What API's should IBM provide that they have not already?" 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