• Subject: Re: Did IBM finally roll out SAA with Websphere?
  • From: "Steve Richter" <srichter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:52:59 -0400

Bob, That is not an encouraging report ...  and I thought you were in
charge.

Do outside developers have all the info they need to write a 3rd party
version of webshere?, of domino?  If so, then the complaint may be best
directed toward the as400 software houses that have not invested enough in
their own products.  If not, then I think the focus should be on getting ibm
to be more open on openness.

In regard to the brakes on the interactive jobs, does anyone have info on
how that is accomplished and how it can be circumvented? Does it apply for
instance on telnet jobs? Is it controlled by the opening of a dspf?

Should lists like this be used to anonymously publish technical info on the
as400?

I think the answer is to convince ibm that it should be responsible for
providing the as400 system hardware and a core operating system that is
secure, stable and modern. The rest, areas like client access, domino,
webshere, java, firewalls and even rpg ( ile and mi are part of the core
os ) are areas that outside developers should be responsible for and ibm
should publish all the technical info needed to produce these systems.

Steve Richter

ps. dont forget Bob, if I remember correctly from the days when I used to
read your magazine, Q38,  you were opposed to one of the main components of
SAA,  the moving of the screen Exit key from F1 to F3. Look how that turned
out to be for the best !!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cozzi (RPGIV) <cozzi@RPGIV.COM>
To: 'MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l@MIDRANGE.COM>; rpgiv@yahoogroups.com
<rpgiv@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: Did IBM finally roll out SAA with Websphere?


>So, if everything is being called "WebSphere" is this just like SAA?
>Remember SAA? Everything was to fall under the SAA umbrella, except the
>stuff IBM didn't want to sell. So now everything falls under websphere,
>except the stuff IBM doesn't want to sell.
>
>What's the difference if a product is called "IBM HTTP Server" or "IBM
>Websphere HTTP Server"? Is that worthy of a full Version change in the
>Operating System?
>
>A few years ago we went from Version 2 release 3, to Version 3 release 1
and
>the only thing that changed was the copyright date and the Version number.
>Then we went from Version 3, Release 7 to Version 4 Release 1, again
nothing
>new.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about IBM. So what's my problem? My
>problem is we're being hyped up again for a big release that really has
>little to do with our problems for "today". IBM seems to keep trying to
>solve yesterday's problems or next year's problems. When I have problems
>that are applicable today.
>
>Take the Webfacing tool, a very good idea. About 2 years ago it would have
>been gold! But it is still something to consider using. But here is the
>issue with webfacing. Webfacing runs applications as Interactive Apps. Not
>batch, so the line we've been fed to move off of Interactive and into
better
>performing Client/Server apps (which use batch) doesn't seem to apply here.
>Yet I just paid a HUGE "tax" for non-Zero interactive on my 270. Now, to
use
>IBM latest offering, I have to use up my expensive Interactive resources
for
>what appears to be client/server (webfaced) applications, but in reality
are
>nothing more that interactive RPG/DDS apps which have been mapped to HTML.
>An okay idea, but what happen to Batch?
>
>I guess my question is, besides adding some questionable 'features' to RPG
>IV, changing the program product number and wrapping everything Websphere,
>what's new in V5? I'm trying to understand if these costly version
>announcements are significant, or just marketing hype. And, hardware
>enhancements don't count because there's new hardware announced by everyone
>all that time.
>
>Bob Cozzi
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