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Actually I am no longer a manager. I consider myself an agent of change. The problem was that I actually used to give the 'heart-to-heart' talks when I was a manager. Consider this, you have an incompetent employee, who consistently misses Mondays and Fridays. Bills divisions for time when they were not even working, (just to cover their absence). Does this for a few years and get's bounced from sub manager to sub manager. Boss is out of town for a week. I call in the HR director and schedule an exit interview for the employee. They're gone. I got a reputation as harsh. Although other personnel in the department praised me for doing some much needed fanny kicking. Rob Berendt ================== Remember the Cole! bill.reger@convergy s.com To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Sent by: cc: owner-midrange-l@mi Subject: Re: What counts as technically drange.com slick? 04/10/2001 10:14 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L Rob, If you have given your people the appropriate training and have given them the appropriate expectations (ie: they should be writing RPGIV, subprocs, etc.), and they still don't, then it's time for a heart-to-heart between you (the manager) and them (the programmers). Bill rob@dekko.com on 04/10/2001 09:59:20 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com cc: (bcc: Bill Reger/CIMG/CVG) Subject: Re: What counts as technically slick? <snip> Technologies should not be implemented until they can be properly supported, which means training. <snip> Yet, what do you do when you hire Jon Paris to come on site for a few days, send the same people off to yet another RPG training course for a week, send them to 'a Day with Charlie Massoglia' session on RPGIV, and yet to see them use CVTRPGSRC or a subprocedure? Rob Berendt ================== Remember the Cole! David & Eileen Keck <bstars@optonline.n To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com et> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: What counts as technically owner-midrange-l@mi slick? drange.com 04/06/2001 03:26 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L There is something to be said for "good enough". If a business relies on technologies (i.e. coding techniques) which are not well understood by most of the developers in that shop, then serious support issues can arise for that business. In an RPG shop with no C talent, you may come in and significantly speed up a process with a clever bit of C code. When you are unavailable one day and that critical business process fails, the RPG programmers shall certainly curse your clever enhancement. The business executives will rightly criticize IS management for putting the business at risk by not creating and enforcing standards. A business needs compelling reasons to implement new technologies because there are risks and costs. Technologies should not be implemented until they can be properly supported, which means training. Logically, this applies even to the level of coding techniques. - Dave K. (who enjoys learning and doing things in new ways) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Calabro" <Buck.Calabro@commsoft.net> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: What counts as technically slick? > I just got re-subscribed after an email domain change and stumbled in the > middle of the "technically slick vs. good enough" discussion. > > When I modify an existing 1990 vintage RPG II style program, one of the > first things I do is to convert the code into RPG IV. After that, I convert > the section I'm working on into a subprocedure. I've been called bad names > because of this. Apparently the namecallers think this is just too > technical for their taste. > > Is it? > > In lieu of my usual tirade on the topic, let me ask this: Why would a > company _not_ want the most technically competent programmers? What makes > lower standards a Good Thing? Fiscal expediency? If so, that's fine, but > the boss that says that to me had better never utter the words Mission > Critical in my hearing. > > My view: As a programmer, my main product; _my value_ is that I produce > programs. The more skilled I am at producing programs, the more value I > provide to my employer. I fail to comprehend how settling for Good Enough > increases or even maintains my skill level. > > Buck Calabro > Commsoft; Albany, NY > "Nothing is so firmly believed as > that which we least know" -- Michel Montaigne > Visit the Midrange archives at http://www.midrange.com > +--- > | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com > +--- > +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- -- NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. 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