• Subject: Re: The OV/400 end
  • From: "Neil Palmer" <neilp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:29:39 -0600

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I'll say April announce, and back that with a drink a CUDS !   ;-)

OV/400 runs fine on V4R5.
Support was originally planned to be chopped with V4R4, but they extended
it to V4R5 (see below).
With the May 31 support cut off date that would mean support is
discontinued before you could even get your hands on V5R1 and install it.
The last announcement I can see says it is not supported on V5R1, which
means IBM doesn't subscribe to the "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
theory, as they are going to deliberately "fix" OS/400 to not run OV/400,
just like they deliberately "fixed" SSP Guest support with V4R5, instead
of allowing you to run it with the product unsupported, which I hardly
think would have taken a tremendous effort on their part.  They would have
to enhance the product to support future OS/400 releases about as much as
you have to enhance your programs to run on future OS/400 releases - in
other words, NOTHING !  They are going to actually go to the effort of
deliberately "enhancing" OS/400 V5R1 to make sure it won't run OV/400, for
basically no other reason than to p*ss you off.  I'm sure many people
would be happy to continue using it without support, but where's the money
in that for IBM ?

There are a couple of third party products available that claim to support
all functions of OV/400, including word processing with data/text merge,
and calendars.  Does anyone on the list have any experience with those ?


http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=RwHb715SPn0ezQ1USenGnN9332&request=announcements&parms=H%5f999%2d031&xhi=usa%2emain%7cannouncements%5e&xfr=N

Service Discontinuance: IBM OfficeVision/400 Version 4 and IBM
OfficeVision JustMail for OS/400 Version 4 ? Replacements Available


Available Formats:   PDF   PostScript


Overview
Effective May 31, 2001, IBM will discontinue program services for the
following programs licensed under the IBM Customer Agreement:
                                                        Program
Description                                 Version    Number

OfficeVision/400(TM)                           4       5769-WP1
OfficeVision/400                               4       5649-WP3
OfficeVision(R) JustMail for OS/400(R)         4       5798-TBT

OS/400 Version 4 Release 4 is the last release of the operating system
that OfficeVision/400 and OfficeVision JustMail for OS/400 will support.
IBM does not plan to enhance OV/400 nor JustMail to support any future
versions or releases of OS/400.


...Neil





Don <dr2@cssas400.com>
Sent by: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
2001/01/06 23:21
Please respond to MIDRANGE-L


         To:     Robin Sapiro <robin.sapiro@home.com>
         cc:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
         Subject:        Re: The OV/400 end




Robin,

Uh, I'ld expect 5.1 to be out and "talkable about" BEFORE Common...which
means the FIRST part of MAY...my money would be on first week of May...

And, It's gonna be a not-to-small release...purported to be one of the
biggies ever for the 400...but time will tell...

Don in DC

-----

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Robin Sapiro wrote:

 > It has not been "officially" announced, but expect V5R1 to GA on May 31,
2001.
 >
 > Following is an extract from an IBM site (forget where I clipped it
from) on OS/400 release dates.
 >
 > IBM U.S. Product Life Cycle Dates
 >
 > Program                                  Marketing   Service Replaced
 > Number   VRM     Announced   Available   Withdrawn   Discontinued    By
 >
 > 5769-SS1 4.05.0  2000/06/12  2000/07/28      -       2002/07/31       -
 > 5769-SS1 4.04.0  1999/02/09  1999/05/21      -       2001/05/31       -
 > 5769-SS1 4.03.0  1998/09/01  1998/09/11  2000/12/31  2001/01/31       -
 > 5769-SS1 4.02.0  1998/02/10  1998/02/27  2000/10/25  2000/05/31       -
 > 5769-SS1 4.01.0  1997/08/19  1997/08/29  2000/10/25  2000/05/31       -
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: <techsupport@basspro.com>
 > To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
 > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 1:55 PM
 > Subject: Re: The OV/400 end
 >
 >
 > >
 > > Al, you're confusing me.  You say that IBM extended the life of OV to
one
 > > release after V4R5.  Then in your last sentence you say that support
for
 > > the product goes away 5/31/01.  That's the date I've heard but that
would
 > > mean that V5R1 or whatever they are calling it this week will be GA on
 > > 5/31/01.  Am I just being stupid?  That's happened before.
 > >
 > > Thanks.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > "Al Barsa, Jr." <barsa2@ibm.net>@midrange.com on 01/05/2001 12:14:35
PM
 > >
 > > Please respond to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
 > >
 > > Sent by:  owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
 > >
 > >
 > > To:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
 > > cc:
 > >
 > > Subject:  Re: The OV/400 end
 > >
 > >
 > > At 11:05 AM 1/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
 > >
 > > IBM initially announced that OV support would end with V4R5, and the
 > > customers went into an uproar, so IBM extended the life of OV to the
 > > release after (generally accepted by the industry to be V5R1, but if I
had
 > > any specific knowledge of this I would not be able to say).  The
actual
 > > support for the product goes away 5/31/01.
 > >
 > > Al
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