Re: Growing your own programmers--Funny how things turn out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No its not true, right from my first week I was rolling out VB macro
scripts for Netsoft Elite users.
After 4 weeks I progressed from Macros to writing Automators that screen
scrape of the AS/400 for 12 hours a day and HELL I have only had this
programming job by default since March this year.

I think the management must of felt sorry for me answering the phones-call
centre day in and day out.They knew I had an old E20 at home and always
liked reading up on the AS/400 in my breaks.
Funny how things turn out--I always wanted to be an AS/400 operator
and they wanted me to be a VB programmer.Thats life.

cheers Dave

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> From: OleBlighty <oleblighty@home.com>
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Growing your own programmers
> Date: Tuesday, 22 June 1999 11:07
> 
> "It still takes 3-6 month for an experienced programmer to become
productive
> and years to become an ASSET."
> 
> Surely that can't be true.  If it were true, there would be no contract
> work.  Just my opinion.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Bipes <ChrisB@cross-check.com>
> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:49 AM
> Subject: RE: Growing your own programmers
> 
> 
> > I agree that a lot of home grown programmers tend to leave because they
> make
> > less.  Well they should not make less.  They should be given a raise to
> the
> > market level.  Remember that an experienced programmer still needs to
be
> > trained on YOUR CUSTOM systems as well as YOUR business rules,
practices,
> > management style....  It still takes 3-6 month for an experienced
> programmer
> > to become productive and years to become an ASSET.  There is a lot more
to
> > consider!  Companies need to have their eyes opened to the value of the
> > employees in technical positions.  Hey I had to give notice to get my
big
> > raise, to market value.
> >
> >
> > Christopher K. Bipes mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
> > Sr. Programmer/Analyst mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
> > CrossCheck, Inc.    http://www.cross-check.com
> > 6119 State Farm Drive Phone: 707 586-0551 x 1102
> > Rohnert Park  CA  94928 Fax: 707 586-1884
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nina jones [mailto:ddi@datadesigninc.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 7:50 AM
> > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: Growing your own programmers
> >
> >
> > > I finally left because like most home-grown programmers, once you get
> the
> > > skills, the company fails to adjust your compensation accordingly. 
So
> > > that's definitely something else to keep in mind.
> >
> > that brought back memories.  i worked for a bank in 1971 that got a
> > system 3, and i got trained because i did well on the aptitude test.
> >
> > 6 months later i was complaining because i wasn't being paid what the
> > want ads were saying programmers were worth.  somehow in my 19 year old
> > maturity, i missed out on the fact that the bank paid for the training,
> > and my salary while i was training, and my time to futz around when i
> > didn't know what i was doing.  and there was a lot of that.
> >
> > so we moved to oklahoma city, where i took a job that paid twice what i
> > was making.
> > about ten years ago, we took a green wanna be just out of college grad
> > and trained him on the as/400.  about a year later, he found out that
he
> > was making less that a lady we hired after him.  never mind she had 15
> > years of experience.  he complained so much that she ended up quitting.
> >
> > so what's the solution?  i'm not sure there is one!  companies feel
> > burned because they pay for training, and have a right to expect a
> > return.  employees are upset because they are getting paid less than
> > market and go elsewhere.  maybe home growing has cut back because it's
> > cheaper to hire someone else's home grown product!
> >
> > nj
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