Re: Growing your own programmers

"It still takes 3-6 month for an experienced programmer to become productive
and years to become an ASSET."

Surely that can't be true.  If it were true, there would be no contract
work.  Just my opinion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Bipes <ChrisB@cross-check.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Growing your own programmers


> I agree that a lot of home grown programmers tend to leave because they
make
> less.  Well they should not make less.  They should be given a raise to
the
> market level.  Remember that an experienced programmer still needs to be
> trained on YOUR CUSTOM systems as well as YOUR business rules, practices,
> management style....  It still takes 3-6 month for an experienced
programmer
> to become productive and years to become an ASSET.  There is a lot more to
> consider!  Companies need to have their eyes opened to the value of the
> employees in technical positions.  Hey I had to give notice to get my big
> raise, to market value.
>
>
> Christopher K. Bipes mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
> CrossCheck, Inc.    http://www.cross-check.com
> 6119 State Farm Drive Phone: 707 586-0551 x 1102
> Rohnert Park  CA  94928 Fax: 707 586-1884
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nina jones [mailto:ddi@datadesigninc.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 7:50 AM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Growing your own programmers
>
>
> > I finally left because like most home-grown programmers, once you get
the
> > skills, the company fails to adjust your compensation accordingly.  So
> > that's definitely something else to keep in mind.
>
> that brought back memories.  i worked for a bank in 1971 that got a
> system 3, and i got trained because i did well on the aptitude test.
>
> 6 months later i was complaining because i wasn't being paid what the
> want ads were saying programmers were worth.  somehow in my 19 year old
> maturity, i missed out on the fact that the bank paid for the training,
> and my salary while i was training, and my time to futz around when i
> didn't know what i was doing.  and there was a lot of that.
>
> so we moved to oklahoma city, where i took a job that paid twice what i
> was making.
> about ten years ago, we took a green wanna be just out of college grad
> and trained him on the as/400.  about a year later, he found out that he
> was making less that a lady we hired after him.  never mind she had 15
> years of experience.  he complained so much that she ended up quitting.
>
> so what's the solution?  i'm not sure there is one!  companies feel
> burned because they pay for training, and have a right to expect a
> return.  employees are upset because they are getting paid less than
> market and go elsewhere.  maybe home growing has cut back because it's
> cheaper to hire someone else's home grown product!
>
> nj
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